Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

Charlie's really gonna dig you.

Transcript

SPEAKER_07 0:00

Laughing at what I'm saying. But I'm not saying anything funny. So what do you think is so funny?

SPEAKER_08 0:06

What I think is. You're a little man with a big mouth and a big chip. And I think you should be embarrassed to suggest you'd be anything more than a stain on the seat of Cassius Clay's trunks.

SPEAKER_03 0:52

I am your host, Mick, and my guest for tonight is my wife, Megan. She is back. We are both back from our trip fresh from the Hollywood Hills, and that is pretty much the reason as to why we're doing this film. Now, I personally felt it was a great opportunity to do either Breaking Two, Electric Boogaloo, or Crush Groove. Megan then suggested, how about once upon a time in Hollywood? And even though it went against my better judgment, I figured, okay, fine. I gave in. Why the hell not? Megan, welcome back. What's going on?

SPEAKER_02 1:27

Hey, thanks for uh having me back on. And uh what's going on is I'm back just a couple of days back from vacation number one of my world tour this year. Yeah, you got a mini tour going. Got a mini tour going.

SPEAKER_03 1:40

LA, Chicago.

SPEAKER_02 1:43

Yep, then Chicago next week. Well, not that Chicago's a anything I consider like a vacation.

SPEAKER_03 1:49

It's more of a business trip.

SPEAKER_02 1:51

That well, that and it's Chicago. Like we go there all the time. Yeah, that's true. Um, Bahamas oh in a couple weeks. And then we'll be a Bahama mama.

SPEAKER_03 2:00

Yeah. And then September, you're ditching me around my birthday to go uh across the pond.

SPEAKER_02 2:06

No, I'll be back before your birthday. We're leaving at the end of August to go to London, my mom and I.

SPEAKER_03 2:12

To go to London.

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London town.

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Beautiful.

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Yeah.

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All right. So why don't you um give a a little I don't know, like uh what is the word I'm looking for? A little brief reasoning as to why you wanted to do Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

Okay, so I wanted to do this one with you because one, we were going to Hollywood on a vacation. And two, Quentin Tarantino is my favorite director of all time. And three, I have a little bit of an obsession on true crime. And so this movie does touch base on the Tate and Labianca murders. Well, not the Labianca murders, but just the Tate murders. So that's I pitched it to you, and you were like, hey, that sounds like a great idea. So here we are.

SPEAKER_03 3:11

It is. I don't know if it's better than breaking to electric boogaloo, but it's still a great idea. And I did not know that Tarantino was your favorite director. He didn't even direct your favorite film.

SPEAKER_02 3:21

He did not. My favorite film is Jurassic Park, but but Mr. Spielberg did that. Tarantino is my favorite director.

SPEAKER_03 3:28

He is, he is one of the greats. He is. All right. Well, I think we've uh I think we've we've talked uh we've talked enough. We've opened this mother up, I think, just plenty. And shall we get to the trailer? Yeah, let's do it. All right, let's do it.

SPEAKER_06 3:48

I'm Rick Dalton. It's my pleasure, Mr. Schwartz. I'll meet Martin.

SPEAKER_08 3:52

Put it there. That's your son? No, that's my stunt double cliff booth. Last night we watched a Rick Dalton double feature on the shooting.

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I love that stuff here with the killing. A lot of killing.

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Anybody order fry sour frogs?

SPEAKER_08 4:30

No, I'm stubborn.

SPEAKER_07 4:34

Are you still a direct? I'm still here. You can do anything you want to make. I hired you to be an actor, Rick.

SPEAKER_05 4:42

Not a TV cowboy. You're better than that. Line? Embarrass yourself like that in front of all those goddamn people.

SPEAKER_08 4:58

Alright, what's the matter, partner? It's official, old buddy. Oh, has been.

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Uh August night and the leaves hanging down in the grass on the ground.

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Here I am, flat on my ass. Who I got living next door to me.

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I'm Sharon Tate. I'm in the movie. You're in this? That's me. I play Miss Carlson the Clutch.

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In the town, I can only change.

SPEAKER_08 5:57

Hey, you're a fucking Dalton. Don't you forget it.

SPEAKER_03 6:08

You sure as hell won't either. Man, I'm not really sure which one sounds more appetizing, Megan. Fried sauerkraut or a Rick Dalton double feature. They sound they both sound pretty damn mouthwatering, if you ask me. I agree. Yeah. Let's say, that's right, fry you Nazi bastards. Alright. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was released July 26, 2019. Not only making this the first Quentin Tarantino movie that we're doing, but I think quite possibly the newest movie, the most recent film that we've done on this show. So I kind of have to pat myself a little bit on the back for that one. Uh, and it was written and directed by, of course, Quentin Tarantino. It stars Leonardo Leonardo DiCaprio, Brad Pitt, Margot Robbie, and lots of other actors that I'm sure we will name throughout this episode because there's a lot. Because who doesn't want to do a Quentin Tarantino movie? Alright, film begins. And I'm gonna go ahead and say this right now before I get into like this whole synopsis sort of deal. This is a very, very abridged version of this of you know, breaking down this movie. Very abridged. Not leaving everything out. We're gonna get to that. That's why I got Megan here. She's she's you know, she's an incredible backup.

SPEAKER_02 7:28

I'm the queen of being like, hey, interrupting and pointing out what you're showing.

SPEAKER_03 7:33

Yeah, you just did it just now. And uh and uh and a fine job you did there too. So um, but yeah, it's just it's it's a Tarantino movie, Mickheads. I mean, there's a lot going on, and honestly, if I were to nitpick every single thing going on in this movie, we'd be here all night. And who wants that? Probably a lot more people than I think, considering I'm the one talking. But I want to go ahead and I'm gonna keep it short, keep it sweet.

SPEAKER_04 8:03

Yeah.

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So film begins with a brief look at now struggling actor Rick Dalton, played by Leonardo Leonardo DiCaprio, during his heyday as Jake Cahill on the hit TV show Bounty Law. Shortly after this, we see footage of an onset interview with Rick alongside his friend and stunt double Cliff Booth, played by Brad Pitt. We quickly quickly fast forward to Hollywood in the year 1969, and believe me, Hollywood is a very different place. Rick is in a difficult place career-wise, with Bounty Law being cancelled, Rick's movie career not exactly going the way he thought it would, and culminating with him panicking after a meeting with one Marvin Schwartz, played by Al Pacino, where he is offered to go to Italy to perform in spaghetti westerns, which wouldn't be so bad if not for the fact that it's pretty much the only rock solid offer that he has. However, he perks up a bit after finally laying eyes on his next door neighbor, Polish filmmaker Roman Polanski, and his lovely actress wife, Sharon Tate, played by Margot Robbie. Alright, Megan, you got anything you want to add? So you're on your phone, so you gotta have something.

SPEAKER_02 9:17

Oh no, I'm just I'm just you know, looking up some.

SPEAKER_03 9:20

Are you playing Wudoku right now?

SPEAKER_02 9:22

I am not playing Wudoku. I forgot to uh go through and answer the questions that I had asked myself or asked, you know, m in my head about this movie.

SPEAKER_03 9:33

Or Chat GBT.

SPEAKER_02 9:34

Well, I'm asking Chat GBT, yes.

SPEAKER_03 9:36

Right so right now as we're recording, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:39

But I got most of my stuff answered already.

SPEAKER_03 9:41

Oh, that's awesome. I love that. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 9:42

What was what was the question?

SPEAKER_03 9:44

I asked if you had anything.

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Not yet.

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You have anything? No, you have anything you want to add? Okay. All right. So their lives go on doing their own thing with Rick trying to find steady work and not just these bullshit pilots. Cliff also trying to find stunt man work, which pretty much ties in with Rick working, and Sharon Tate enjoying her acting career, which is steadily on the rise. Maybe I shouldn't have used the word steadily, but hey, it's somewhat on the rise. I should also note that both Cliff and Sharon have their own separate brushes with the incredibly infamous Manson family. Cliff meets a few of the Manson family women and even ends up taking a trip to Spawn Ranch. And Sharon, as well as Jay Sebring, played by Emile Hirsch, has a brief encounter with the man himself, Charles Manson.

SPEAKER_02 10:34

I wonder if in like real life, if that encounter really did happen, where Manson walks up to the Polanski house looking for Terry Melcher.

SPEAKER_03 10:46

Possible.

SPEAKER_02 10:47

And then maybe Manson is like, oh, I these people are recognizable. Maybe that's where he gets the idea too.

SPEAKER_03 10:54

They say when he sent um Tex and Susan and Van Houten and Krenwinkle and Cassavian, when he sent them there that night, that he knew full well who was living there.

SPEAKER_02 11:04

Really?

SPEAKER_03 11:05

So yeah, that it's been said that he already knew that Terry Melcher no longer lived there.

SPEAKER_02 11:10

He just wanted to uh incite chaos, basically.

SPEAKER_03 11:14

Well, that's what Vincent Buliosi says. Yeah. Tom O'Neill, of course, which we know thanks to the tour that we went on, yeah, he says something different.

SPEAKER_02 11:24

Race war, right?

SPEAKER_03 11:25

That's what Buliosi says.

SPEAKER_02 11:27

Buliosi says that.

SPEAKER_03 11:28

Okay. He said that Manson was trying to that he was gonna go and kill some wealthy white people, which there were some in that house. Um, Abigail Folger, of course, being one of them. She was an heiress.

SPEAKER_02 11:42

Well, and Jay C Seabring was.

SPEAKER_03 11:44

I don't know if he was wealthy or if he was just doing well.

SPEAKER_02 11:47

I mean, he had to have been wealthy when we did this. So when we were in California, for the listeners, we did a tour with Grave Line Tour Company, and we did their Manson Family Murders tour where they covered the Tate murders and the LaBianca murders. And um they had the tour guide, her name was Ansley. We'll have to plug her.

SPEAKER_03 12:11

Umly if she's gonna plug us.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

Well, I already did it, so it's done.

SPEAKER_03 12:16

All right. Well, we'll send it to her name was Ansley. We'll send her a sticker.

SPEAKER_02 12:19

Yeah. And um, she had told us that J C Bring was charging $50 for a haircut at that time when normal barbershops were charging one to two dollars. Yeah. And that's because um Jay Cring would cut your hair based on your face facial shape to make you look better, basically. Yeah. And I think he was very wealthy because when I was listening to the Joe Rogan podcast with uh Tom O'Neill, that yeah, okay. I didn't know if it was Tom or Tom, Tim or Tom, but anyways, Tom O'Neill said that J C bring was very wealthy because he was only one out of a few people in the Los Angeles area that actually had cable TV at that time.

SPEAKER_03 13:05

Oh, okay. Yeah, so that was a rare thing back in those days, yeah. So should we go ahead and should we touch down on what J C Bring's real uh real name was?

SPEAKER_01 13:17

Do it. Yeah, no, you want to.

SPEAKER_03 13:19

I do of course I do with a name like this, yeah. Thomas John Cummer. What a name. TJ Cummer.

SPEAKER_01 13:27

If he could carry the holiday name Hollywood name, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:31

If he if he hadn't made it as a hairstylist, he could have gone with a name like that out to the San Fernando Valley, gone into a completely different line of work with a name like Thomas Cummer. Spelled with a K. Gotta keep it classy.

SPEAKER_02 13:46

He sounds like he is a like hotel manager if he would have stayed with that name. But Jay Sebring, that's like Paul Mitchell or that is a great name. Calvin Klein.

SPEAKER_03 13:58

I I do have to admit that that is a fantastic name. Jay Seabring. It just yeah. I love your hair. Thank you. It's a seabring. So all right. Do we have anything else? Any you want to say anything more about that tour, or do you want to save that for later?

SPEAKER_02 14:12

I mean, well, I'm figured we just kind of like plug plug it in throughout. But the back to this scene. Um Cliff actually sees Manson walking up to the house with where JC bring in um Sharon Tate were.

SPEAKER_03 14:29

Oh, he's up there fixing Rick's antenna. Rick's all hung over his shit. He drives him to the lot because he has to drive Rick everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 14:36

Mm-hmm. Because Rick doesn't have a license, too many DUIs.

SPEAKER_03 14:39

But Rick's in my my car's in the shop. That's a big fucking lie.

SPEAKER_01 14:42

Yeah.

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Got his license taken. He got his license suspended for too many drunk driving tickets.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

Yeah, yeah.

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So, all right, getting back to the movie. Let's get back to brass tacks here. While quite a bit happens in this film, uh, we're gonna go ahead and fast forward six months to August of 1969, when in reality, um early August 1969, in the words of our awesome tour guide, uh changed so many things, not just in Southern California, but quite possibly nationwide. I mean, that might be a bit of a stretch, but you know what? I already said it, it's out there, I'm going with it. In that time, Rick did accept the opportunity to play Nebraska Gym along with other characters in other Italian films, including, but certainly not limited to Operazione Dinomite, a film by famed Italian filmmaker Antonio Fishermore.

SPEAKER_02 15:40

Magherit. Now that was one of my favorite likes about this movie is the nod to uh Inglorious Bastards.

SPEAKER_03 15:50

Yeah, he does that from time to time. Like um, there's a character in the movie True Romance, was which Tarantino wrote but did not direct. Um, there's a character named Lee Donowitz, and he's supposed to be Donnie Donowitz's son. I'm guessing son, the timeline would add up. So yeah. He's also a filmmaker, yeah, son of the Bear Jew.

SPEAKER_02 16:12

The Bear Jew. Yeah, I uh and that's what I love about Tarantino is he has all these little tiny Easter eggs and everything that he does. It's and it's just like, and if you're not paying attention, you miss it.

SPEAKER_03 16:26

Yep. So I mean, yeah, Tarantino. Now I know there's people out there that would disagree with me on this. I think he's a fantastic filmmaker. Um, the people that would disagree with me on that, not really sure if we would talk about movies at any great length because it would just be like, okay, because of what you just said, we're uh we're we're done talking here. I think he's fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 16:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:50

I love the way that he shoots movies.

SPEAKER_02 16:53

I do too.

SPEAKER_03 16:53

I don't think he's ever shot anyone even relatively like close to being the same. Am I right about that? I mean, would you agree with that or am I just talking out of my ass?

SPEAKER_01 17:05

What do you mean, shot close to being?

SPEAKER_03 17:07

Like, I mean, it's just, you know, like, oh, this reminds me of how he shot reservoir dogs or this or that.

SPEAKER_02 17:13

I just I think in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, there is some Kill Bill aspect to it with the walking. Like when you watch Sharon Tate walk, he has some shots in Kill Bill of the bride walking, you know. Okay, yeah. Um, but that was the only thing that I felt was like, you know.

SPEAKER_03 17:34

Yeah. It's just like little things where like towards the end you see uh that that beautiful pit bull, Brandy, just walk across the screen one way, and then like two seconds later she's walking back across the screen. It just little things like that. I just I don't know why. I just I love that.

SPEAKER_02 17:50

Yeah, he it's like in every movie he picks some sort of body movement and focuses on that, you know, like the wal the walking in this movie. It was like a lot of shots of people walking.

SPEAKER_03 18:04

Yep. Ironically, all right, I'm gonna totally agree with you on that. Ironically, I I love the walking, don't love all the feet.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

That was one of my dislikes. I do not like the feet shots, especially the one of um Pussy. Yeah, um, who is played by Margaret Quali? Quali. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:27

Um her mom's hotter than her anyway.

SPEAKER_02 18:30

Her feet were all like calloused and stuff, and just looked like I mean, she had just been walking for days. I mean, which is probably what he wanted, anyways, was her feet to look like that because she was part of the family and they did walk a lot, so and probably walked barefoot a lot.

SPEAKER_03 18:49

Probably dirty hippies. All right, so unfortunately, at this point in the film, despite his recent and error quotations, success, newly married Rick has to tell Cliff that he can no longer afford to keep him in his employee. So to celebrate the end of this union, Rick and Cliff decide to go out to dinner at Casa Vega, and of course get absolutely shithammered because when you gotta part friends with a coworker and a friend, that's what you do, in my opinion. And Kurt Russell's opinion in the movie, too. That's what you do. You get shit hammered.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:27

And you remember the good times.

SPEAKER_02 19:29

Yeah, I agree. Like for this type of relationship, that makes sense. But like in real life, that's not how it goes. No, when you get like partways or fire somebody, no, you just fire them and they pack their shit and they go.

SPEAKER_03 19:44

This is a different kind of business partnership, though.

SPEAKER_02 19:47

I mean, this is not like that's why I said that. I said this is a different type of situation than the real world. Well, of course, you don't.

SPEAKER_03 19:56

So sometimes I do. Well, you don't not in this instance, though.

SPEAKER_02 20:01

You're a slob when it comes to peanut butter and jelly, and I just not anymore.

SPEAKER_03 20:05

Earlier today, I was tired of listening to you.

SPEAKER_02 20:07

I well, you're gonna listen some more because earlier when I was making dinner, I went to get a pot out of the cupboard and there was caked on jelly on the knob, and I'm like, I know, and it was not grape jelly, it was strawberry jelly. That's kind of weird. Yeah, I'll show it to you because I couldn't get it all off.

SPEAKER_03 20:24

You're usually so thorough.

SPEAKER_02 20:26

Nope. Huh.

SPEAKER_03 20:27

I'll do better, I promise.

SPEAKER_02 20:28

Yes, please.

SPEAKER_03 20:29

I'm not a slob, I'm really not.

SPEAKER_02 20:31

You're not a slob, you just have slob tendencies sometimes. Well, yeah, we all do. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:35

I'm not perfect, I'm only human.

SPEAKER_02 20:37

I mean, I leave cheese wrappers sitting around. Not as much as I used to. I've been getting better at it.

SPEAKER_03 20:43

I always said, why do we have a garbage can when we have a kitchen counter? Don't touch the home garden.

SPEAKER_02 20:48

I I just I always have to mess with it when I'm gonna get it.

SPEAKER_03 20:50

Yeah, you do. You always have to mess with shit.

SPEAKER_02 20:52

There, I'm done.

SPEAKER_03 20:53

So at the same time with this, Sharon, now eight and a half months pregnant, her friend Jay Sebring, Voittek Frukowski, and Abigail Folger all go out to dinner at the famous El Coyote restaurant, which Megan and I dined at when we were out in Italy.

SPEAKER_02 21:11

Yeah, and I and it seriously looks it looks exactly the same as it does in the movie. Like they look and that's one thing about Quentin Tarantino. I don't think that he shoots on sets. I think he actually goes to places. Maybe Kill Bill might have been a set. I don't know. I haven't done enough research, but I feel like once upon a time in Hollywood, they actually did film in Hollywood.

SPEAKER_03 21:34

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:35

You know, yeah, but um at least maybe not on Cielo Drive because that's a private road now, I think.

SPEAKER_03 21:42

Yeah, but the thing is that money talks and bullshit walks. And I believe what I saw was that this movie had a budget of ninety million dollars. So I think they could have freed up a little bit to greet uh tickle a few palms.

SPEAKER_02 21:55

Yeah. Yeah, but the El Coyote Cafe was. Probably my favorite meal that we had in in LA. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:04

Um Formosa Cafe can kiss my ass.

SPEAKER_02 22:07

Yeah, we went to the Formosa. It was um the drinks were okay, the appetizer was okay, but the the food was not they made an okay Manhattan.

SPEAKER_03 22:17

The food was edible.

SPEAKER_02 22:19

It was okay.

SPEAKER_03 22:20

Yeah. Like not worth uh what the bill came out to be.

SPEAKER_02 22:25

No, no, no, it was not. Um, but the but the El Coyote Cafe, now that was worth every penny.

SPEAKER_03 22:33

Yep. Good guacamole. Yeah. I was very happy with my meal.

SPEAKER_02 22:38

Homemade tortillas, the the beans, the refried beans now. I've had some really good refried beans in my life, and these were hands down, probably my favorite re-fried beans. There was so much flavor in it, and it was it was just so good.

SPEAKER_03 22:52

But I would agree.

SPEAKER_02 22:53

For you know, R.I.P. to Abigail Folger, J Sebring, Sharon Tate, and I can never say his his name right. Votech Frukowski. Wojtek Frukowski. They had a very delicious last meal.

SPEAKER_03 23:09

They did.

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They did.

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So I'm sure they would have picked something a little bit more upscale if they would have known what was to uh what was in their future.

SPEAKER_02 23:17

But who knows, maybe back then that was the spot to be, you know.

SPEAKER_03 23:22

I guess it's a landmark.

SPEAKER_02 23:23

So that and Musso and Frank's, but that was we walked past that restaurant, which they shot um the opening scenes in Musso and Frank's when um Rick Dalton was meeting with Al Pacino's character. Marvin Schwartz. That's where they were. So yeah, yeah. I'm familiar. That's still in business, but we didn't get to eat there. Maybe next time.

SPEAKER_03 23:47

I didn't know we walked by that. I wouldn't I must not have been paying attention.

SPEAKER_02 23:50

It was when we were on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. I saw it.

SPEAKER_03 23:52

Oh, yeah. I was too busy looking at stars. Yeah. Like the stars on the sidewalk. Yeah. You were too busy getting yelled at by fucking drugged out weirdos trying to pedal their shit on Hollywood Boulevard.

SPEAKER_02 24:05

Yeah. He definitely was, he had a different look on his face when I was walking around with you. I will say that.

SPEAKER_03 24:10

Yeah. So yeah. Some people, I'm telling you. And then you were um that one guy tried to he liked my skater die t-shirt. He probably just thought it was just some out-of-tone or out-of-town yokel, which I tried to have. And he's all, yeah, I like your shirt. Let's get a picture. And then some woman in a slutty cop uniform is getting ready to take our picture, and you like busted out the hook, and you're all like, Mick, Mick, get out of there. They're gonna want money.

SPEAKER_02 24:38

It's like no, I said Mick, let's go. Yeah, it's like yeah, like mom.

SPEAKER_03 24:42

Yeah, and it's like one of those things where it's like, yeah, they're gonna want money. It's like, but they're not gonna get any money, not out of me, not without a fight, they're not. And it's like, you're getting your picture taken with me. Motherfucker, you gotta you need to be paying me.

SPEAKER_02 24:53

They still would have tried to swindle you. That's why you don't stop with those and talk to those people. I know. You say no thank you and you keep going unless you really do want a photo, like with the show girls in Vegas when we got married. You had to pay them, remember?

SPEAKER_03 25:08

Yeah. Well, that was then, that was a long time ago. Yeah, I didn't have this podcast then.

SPEAKER_02 25:13

That's true.

SPEAKER_03 25:13

Now I do.

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But anyway.

SPEAKER_03 25:15

And now they'd be sitting there like down on their knees making it rain, trying to get a picture with me, probably.

SPEAKER_02 25:22

So well, if it's one thing that I have learned about LA, people hustle in LA. They do. Yeah, they want to make that paper.

SPEAKER_03 25:30

Yeah, that one um he was a nice guy, but he let's face it, the guy is trying to um hustle tours at the Hollywood Forever uh Forever Sem Hollywood Forever Cemetery. That yeah, guy is actually kind of a sack of shit if you think about it.

SPEAKER_02 25:45

Yeah, nice guy, but um, I don't think you should be sitting up against someone's headstone trying to hustle people.

SPEAKER_03 25:52

I mean, we were being disrespectful enough taking pictures of you took pictures at Hollywood Forever Cemetery.

SPEAKER_02 25:58

I didn't. Well, I did at Judy Garden. Yeah, you took and Toto, but Toto wasn't technically buried there. It was a memorial, but Judy Garland I did because they made they pretty much had it set up for that opportunity to take a photo.

SPEAKER_03 26:12

I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 26:12

They had a I'm sorry, a fucking guessbook for her grave.

SPEAKER_03 26:16

I'm sorry, Megan. You're right, you're right. I'm I'm the sack of shit for taking all the pictures of like Johnny Ramon, Didi Ramon, Burt Reynolds, and everyone. You're right. So, what is it gonna say about somebody not saying this happened, but somebody who tries to take flowers from Marilyn Monroe and give them to Hugh Hefner, different cemetery.

SPEAKER_02 26:37

Okay, listen, all right. Marilyn Monroe would have, she was friends with Hugh Hefner. She would have wanted to share her flowers with him. Like, it's very sad that Hugh Hefner doesn't have any flowers on his mausoleum when his family is in LA.

SPEAKER_03 26:56

I don't know. You know, I mean maybe maybe he's really not buried right there.

SPEAKER_02 27:02

Maybe it's a fake one and they have him buried somewhere private that him their family can only visit. I don't know. Like a Princess Diana type of situation.

SPEAKER_03 27:10

See, that's what we need to do with me. When my time comes, and hopefully not for a long time now. My time comes, I want it to be like a big mystery. And then in reality, have me buried out in the backyard here somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 27:24

So that when they dig up a pool one day, they dig up this human.

SPEAKER_03 27:29

I want my skeleton to have two middle fingers going up there.

SPEAKER_02 27:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:35

I don't want to be embalmed either.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

Yeah, neither do I.

SPEAKER_03 27:38

Really?

SPEAKER_02 27:39

No, I want to be called.

SPEAKER_03 27:40

I'm just joking.

SPEAKER_02 27:41

I want to be cremated. I don't want people to remember me as a body in a casket.

SPEAKER_03 27:45

I'm gonna go for like a half and half sort of deal. I think I can make that happen.

unknown 27:48

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 27:49

You're ridiculous. We are getting off track track.

SPEAKER_03 27:53

We always do, but we're only like a half hour in, so we're good.

SPEAKER_02 27:55

That is good.

SPEAKER_03 27:56

All right, so you're right though. Let's uh let's get back to this. It's very important business here. So after everyone returns to their respective houses, it's a pretty chill night. A hot night, one of the hottest that year, but still pretty chill. Sharon is looking to get some rest as she is feeling especially pregnant that night while Jay keeps her company, and Abigail and Voitek each chill out and smoke a big joint. Thank God for that, because Abigail in the in that scene was at the piano, and it's like, look, I will give you a freaking quarter ounce bag of some of the finest weed if you get your ass away from the piano right now.

SPEAKER_01 28:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:35

I hate it when people do that. If you can play the piano and you can sing, I'll listen to you all day. But if you can play the piano and you sing like shit, stop. Just play the damn piano.

SPEAKER_02 28:49

It's kind of like karaoke, right? Like some people are have a really good voice and do wonderful at karaoke. And then there's other people who d do karaoke with their friends in the privacy of their own home because they suck, but they want to have some fun, so they do the thing that is probably not the best for them to do in front of people that they trust. And maybe that's the situation we had with Abigail Folter. Well, and who knows if they actually did that. That was a creative liberty that Quentin Tarantino took in the script and in the direction of the I would say who knows what went on in that house. I mean, we know where everybody was.

SPEAKER_03 29:30

Yeah. So where everyone ended up.

SPEAKER_02 29:32

And one thing that we did learn on that tour at that night when they came back to the house is there is somewhere off to the side of the property, and we learned this on that tour, is there was a another like a pool, not a pool house, but like a gardener or maintenance yeah, like a sort of a caretaker side caretaker cottage.

SPEAKER_03 29:54

Yeah. And 60 feet away.

SPEAKER_02 29:57

60 feet away from the house.

SPEAKER_03 29:58

That's not far.

SPEAKER_02 29:59

That is not far. And um, the caretaker was home at that point.

SPEAKER_03 30:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:05

And was there when the murders were happening, and he thought that it was the girls swimming in the pool having fun. Um, and and like we had talked about with the tour guide, pool screams are not the same as being murdered screams.

SPEAKER_03 30:23

Like they're two totally.

SPEAKER_02 30:26

I mean, you can act what you feel like a murder scream would be, but it it's guttural, it's survival type screaming.

SPEAKER_03 30:34

You know, not to mention the fact that Abigail Folger actually made it out of the house.

SPEAKER_02 30:38

Two people made it out of the house.

SPEAKER_03 30:39

Uh Voitek almost made it out of the house.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

No, he was outside of the house. If you see some of the crime scene photos, there's both him and Abigail are in the same part of the lawn.

SPEAKER_03 30:51

I thought he ought well, all right. I guess it doesn't matter, but I always thought that he just about made it, and then um Susan Atkins started stabbing his legs, and and then Watson came in and over and just finished a job.

SPEAKER_02 31:03

No, he's I'll have to show you after this podcast, but you can they have the um covers over their bodies. Oof. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:12

But Abigail actually made it out to the lawn.

SPEAKER_02 31:14

She was she's far, she was the furthest away.

SPEAKER_03 31:17

Yeah, she was probably so disoriented, it's like, yeah, you made it out of the house, but where are you gonna go? I mean, it's LA and you're a couple of miles outside the city, so it's like a 20-minute drive.

SPEAKER_02 31:28

Yeah. So yeah, but also when we were on that tour, which another thing with this movie is you don't see really the neighborhood that this these houses were in, technically in the movie. And it is like a canyon below it, and there are maybe not back then, but there are a ton of houses there now. And yeah, even listening to the gardener and workers that were around when we were out there, things echo. Yeah, so can you imagine if there wasn't any houses, like yeah, and it's quiet out there, neighbors had to have heard something, yeah. Especially that caretaker on that property.

SPEAKER_03 32:07

Yeah. He's I you know, the thing is is that normally I would just sit here and just be like, that motherfucker's hiding something. But honestly, I think the whole thing, oh, I thought they were just screaming because they were having fun and having a good time and all this stuff. I think even I thought I think the LAPD knew he was full of shit. But I think they also knew that he he had nothing to do with the murders either.

SPEAKER_02 32:32

Yeah, he was probably scared shitless.

SPEAKER_03 32:35

Yeah, because he I think he was like 19 or 20. Because the first the very first victim of that night was Stephen Perrin.

SPEAKER_02 32:42

Which they don't include in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

SPEAKER_03 32:45

Yeah, which I always thought was weird because our tour guide said that that kid was on foot, and I thought the kid was in his car. Like the crime scene photo showed the kid in his car. And Watson. And she said Watson was armed with a 22. So I mean a 20, I'm I'm no gun expert or anything, but with a 22, if you want to fatally shoot someone, you got it, it's gotta be point blank. And I think it was. But I'm pretty sure that the kids started uh driving up, met up with the Manson family, and I think Tex Watson just walked up to him, pulled out the gun, and just pop, pop, pop, pop, just shot him and just spent four bullets right there.

SPEAKER_02 33:24

So it I know chat GPC, chat GPT said that Parent was killed in his car at the front gate of the property at 10050 Cielo Drive. He had just finished visiting the caretaker William Garretsen, who lived in a small guest house on the property.

SPEAKER_03 33:43

Um delivering a clock.

SPEAKER_02 33:45

Which was probably just drugs. It probably parent was driving out through the gate when he encountered Tex Watson, and Watson approached the car with a gun and and knife and shot parent four times, killing him almost instantly.

SPEAKER_03 33:58

You know, I think it's terrible that I mean he was 18 years old, just graduated high school. Tex Watson and him both could have been completely unarmed, that poor kid still wouldn't have stood a chance.

SPEAKER_02 34:11

Yeah, so um and the reason why the people inside the house didn't hear the shooting was because the the property is so large that the gate was downhill from the house. So they probably didn't hear it, but again, yeah, but it's it's a 22.

SPEAKER_03 34:30

Yeah, it's like a glorified cap gun, in my opinion. I've seen 22 caliber bullets, they are small. So I don't know. We're not talking like a 357 Magnum, which you know you could fire it in the next town over, and we might hear it on a quiet night. I mean, those things are freaking loud.

SPEAKER_02 34:49

Yeah. So but I mean, that's one thing that is different about the real events of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and the movie, yeah, is the movie makes it seem like that house was not that big or the property was not that big.

SPEAKER_03 35:02

It was a pretty big, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:03

It's a pretty big property, pretty big spread.

SPEAKER_03 35:05

So, all right. Well, back to the movie. So Rick, already being completely drunk, is making himself a batch of frozen margaritas, and Cliff takes his beautiful pit bull brandy for a walk while deciding that tonight is the night for him to smoke a cigarette dipped in acid that he purchased months ago. Everything is all nice and calm and quiet on the Western Front until a mysterious hunk of shit car rolls up on the Cielo Drive in the Hollywood Hills with Charles Tex Watson driving along with other members of the Manson family, including one Susan Atkins. And I do have what is possibly my favorite scene of the movie right here, and I'm leaving the mics hot for this one. Where are you going? Alright, he's making the margaritas there.

SPEAKER_02 35:54

And that bump bum bum bum bump is the car.

SPEAKER_03 35:56

That's that's the Tex Watson. Yeah, that's the hunk of shit car.

SPEAKER_06 36:02

Fucking private.

SPEAKER_03 36:03

Now, when he once he gets outside, I don't want to be talking to it.

SPEAKER_04 36:07

What goddamn goddamn fucking hippies hippies. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_06 36:24

You're fucking you! What the hell do you think you're doing bringing that noisy fucking shit around here, midnight? This is a private road, alright? Who are you? Who are you?

SPEAKER_07 36:41

We just got lost in a little turnaround.

SPEAKER_06 36:44

Of course.

SPEAKER_07 36:47

Fucking hippies came up here to smoke dope on a dark road, huh? Next time you want to try that, it's a fucking muffin. Look, we're really sorry we discouraged you. Look, you don't belong here. Now take this mechanical asshole and get it off the fucking street! Move this fucking piece of shit. Alright, well, just give me a moment to turn it around. Well, drive it backwards! I'm not gonna fucking drive it and drive it now.

SPEAKER_06 37:24

Okay, okay, stop yelling, hold your horses, we're leaving.

SPEAKER_07 37:32

Hell are you looking at you little ginger hair fucker?

SPEAKER_02 37:35

He was talking to Susan Atkins, right?

SPEAKER_03 37:37

No, no, he was talking to the one, um, oh, I think her name is Katie. But I I don't know. I think she was supposed to be squeaky, but squeaky wasn't even there that night. It's because of that scene right there. First of all, I want to point out how in the middle of him yelling at him and telling him to get the hell out of there, he finds time to take a take a slam off of his picture of margaritas.

SPEAKER_01 38:01

Well, he's an alcoholic, so of course he's gonna be.

SPEAKER_03 38:08

What the hell are you looking at, you little ginger-haired fucker? And uh, oh, let's see what else. And because of this, every piece of shit car that I see out there right now, including my own, is now a mechanical asshole.

SPEAKER_02 38:23

So don't talk about the smurf Papa Smurf like that.

SPEAKER_03 38:26

The Smurf is awesome, but it's a mechanical asshole. All right, so the Manson family members back their asses down Cielo Drive. Then they decide that it's time to go and kill some piggies after they realize that they just got totally they just got their asses handed to them verbally by Rick fucking Dalton.

SPEAKER_01 38:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:48

So they figure they go up there, they're gonna have they're gonna hoof it up on foot, back up Cielo Drive, go kill some piggies. On the way up, one of them has a change of heart, makes up a lie to go back to the car, says she leaves her knife there, and ditches the remaining three. Very, very smart, very smart maneuver there.

SPEAKER_02 39:04

Which the actress or the actor Maya Hawk Maya Hawk. Also a nod to kill Bill because the bride was my or is Maya Hawk's mother. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 39:17

So yeah, we say we say actor, not actress. The word actress is nonsensical.

SPEAKER_02 39:21

It's nonsensical.

SPEAKER_03 39:23

Uh, they continue with their mission to kill of killing some piggies, but end up breaking into the wrong house. After a short standoff, clit uh clit, cliff sticks brandy on text and also whips a full can of wolf's toothed dog food right at Susan's face. God, that would hurt.

SPEAKER_02 39:41

And Susan is played by uh what's her her name? She was in.

SPEAKER_03 39:46

Doesn't matter, I'm not a fan.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 39:48

Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Well, I mean if you find it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:53

That would hurt. That would hurt so bad. She takes it right in the mush, too.

SPEAKER_02 39:57

Oh my god, yeah. And she's just starts screaming.

SPEAKER_03 40:01

I don't blame her for throwing that kind of fit at it.

SPEAKER_02 40:03

Mikey Madison, that's who it is.

SPEAKER_03 40:05

Excellent. Thank God. Now that's a load off knowing her name now.

SPEAKER_02 40:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:10

Uh clearly things have not gone the family's way in this endeavor. Brandy is straight going to chow downtown on Tex, and then Susan until she gets until Brandy gets scared off by a gunshot. And the weird ginger hair gets quite a brutal demise at the hands of Cliff. That that scene is actually kind of hard to watch. I'm not gonna bullshit about that. It's it's a tough one. And he's just smashing her face first into everything. It's like I think by the time he's smashing her into the mantle above the fireplace, it's like, dude, she's dead. She's dead. She's done, man. Enough. But that's what an acid dip cigarette will do to you.

SPEAKER_04 40:50

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 40:51

Uh so uh Susan, while badly injured, crashes through the patio door into Rick's pool while he's out there drinking and relaxing. And without a second thought, he goes to the pool house to retrieve his flamethrower that he used in the 14th fist of McCluskey and just torches the shit out of Susan right there in his pool.

SPEAKER_02 41:10

Which that scene is awesome, but it also confuses me because how can you light someone on fire that's in a pool?

SPEAKER_03 41:20

You know how hot those flamethrowers get?

SPEAKER_02 41:22

No.

SPEAKER_03 41:24

Extremely hot.

SPEAKER_02 41:25

I even think that Rick asks if they could turn the heat down and the guy, the prophet.

SPEAKER_03 41:29

Can we do something about the heat? It's a flamethrower. It's a flamethrower, yeah. So Cliff heads off to the hospital after getting accidentally stabbed in the side of his leg, and Rick, Francesca, and Brandy remain a little shaken up, but unharmed. After the ambulance takes off, Cliff meets Jay Sebring in the driveway, the Plansky house, and ultimately meets Sharon Tate for the first time. And that right there is the end of the movie.

SPEAKER_04 41:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:59

Anything that I left out that you want to talk about? You want to touch on?

SPEAKER_02 42:04

I mean, there's a lot of stuff you left out, but I mean, I understand how it's an abridged version. Like this movie is just so good.

SPEAKER_03 42:13

We would be here forever.

SPEAKER_02 42:14

We would be here forever. Yeah. Because it's like what, like two and a half hour movie?

SPEAKER_03 42:18

A little bit over, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, just roughly two and a half hours. It's a long movie, but it doesn't feel like a long movie. And I I had heard Yeah, the pacing is really good. Right. When my buddy, uh when my my buddies JD and Austin, when they were doing their show, they did an episode on this, and Austin had said something about how there's like maybe like an almost four-hour long director's cut.

SPEAKER_02 42:42

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 42:43

I'm having that all day. If it's true.

SPEAKER_02 42:45

Yeah, we'll have to look that up.

SPEAKER_03 42:47

If such thing exists, I'm having that all day.

SPEAKER_02 42:52

So well, I'm gonna ask ChatGPT right now if that is true. Alright. But yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:59

Alright. Um, but while you're doing that, is there any anything in particular that you want to touch down on?

SPEAKER_02 43:07

Or I just I mean, I think like overall, what I like about this movie um is that it tells a story. It the story is about Rick Dalton and his buddy Cliff and Sharon Tate. Like obviously it's about Sharon Tate too, because like heavily focuses on her in the movie as well. Yeah. Um but I love how he did this movie to be like how it should have happened, how these people should have lived, and these psychopaths maybe not even psychopaths, maybe these just messed up hippies, you know. Dirty had they been sober and dumpster diving hippies. Yeah, had they been sober and Charles Manson hadn't grown up the way that he gr grew up, these people would still be alive. You know? It's It's almost like Inglorious Bastards, what happens to Hitler and all of his, you know, higher ups in the movie theater. Mm-hmm. Just all the bad guys. And that's how it should have happened.

SPEAKER_03 44:15

Not Gorman, but Gering, I think. I don't remember. I can't remember either.

SPEAKER_02 44:19

But yeah, I mean, and that's my one of my favorite things about this movie is the fact that it's like the family was brutally murdered because that's how it should have happened.

SPEAKER_03 44:29

They fucked up. They should have known their place.

SPEAKER_02 44:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:32

You don't belong here. Hey, hey, you know what? To be fair, Rick did warn them.

SPEAKER_01 44:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:37

He said, look, take this mechanical asshole and get it off my fucking string. Yep. Yep. So all right. Well, if you think of anything while we keep on going on, just go ahead and just kind of shout it out.

SPEAKER_02 44:49

Interrupt.

SPEAKER_03 44:50

Yeah. That's uh a specialty of yours.

SPEAKER_02 44:53

And also, ChatGPT did tell me that there is an extended longer version of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, but it's not a traditional deck director's cut released on Bru Blu-ray. Um, in 2020, Netflix released the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood extended cut, and it runs about 171 minutes. So it's 10 minutes longer than the theatrical version. Um, the movie is split into four chapters, almost like a short miniseries. It included around 10 minutes of extra scenes that Quentin Karen Quentin Tarantino added back in. Um, some of that added material includes more Rick Alton TV scenes, extra bits from his Western shows, uh longer time on the Spawn Ranch, um, and then additional commercials and TV segments that deepen the 1960s Hollywood vibe. And then also a few extended dialogue moments. Um, nothing drastically changes to the story, um, but it leans harder into Quentin Tarantino's hangout in 1969 Hollywood vibe.

SPEAKER_03 46:05

See, I don't think you need to add anything to the Spawn Ranch scene. I think the spawn ranch ranch scene is perfect. Yeah, I think if any anything more would take away from it.

SPEAKER_02 46:19

Personally, yeah, and so uh the fun fact about this, which they touched based on your JD's podcast, they mentioned about it being four hours long. His first assembly cut of the film was four hours long. Oh, that doesn't surprise so there's actually a lot more footage that has never been released, which we probably won't ever see. And that's fine.

SPEAKER_03 46:41

That I think it's like that with every movie.

SPEAKER_02 46:43

Yeah, and I guess there is um a deleted Manson family scene that Tarantino cut out of the movie because it made it a lot more darker. And that scene is um with the spawn ranch, um with the spawn ranch scenes. So I guess it was originally much longer and more threatening. Oh. Um yeah, apparently Cliff hung out a little bit longer, um, where a few of the members of the cult quietly close in around him while he backs into his car, and the tension builds longer before the tire slashing confrontation. And then apparently Tex Watson had a bigger presence um uh at this scene and he had more dialogue and screen time, making him feel more like a direct threat. And then the George Spawn scenes were darker as it showed George Spawn as even more manipulated and controlled by the group, emphasizing emphasize emphasizing how the cult had taken over the ranch. Um, and Tarantino cut it because the tr tension dragged the pacing down too much, which I could understand that. Um, and it was darker than what he really wanted it. So Okay.

SPEAKER_03 48:07

Yeah, I don't know if George Spawn in real life was manipulated all that much. I think he was a lonely old man and women almost a fourth his age still willing to fuck him. I mean granted, you know, I mean he'd had to be blind because some of these Manson women were not attractive, in my opinion, anyway.

SPEAKER_02 48:31

So And you know, in that the Spawn Ranch scenes, how as he's Cliff is walking up to where George Spawn is to check on him, which I love because he Cliff obviously realizes something is off, right? Oh yeah, and he's like, I gotta check on my buddy that I used to work.

SPEAKER_03 48:49

He realizes that off the bat. Right. He's like, something's not right here.

SPEAKER_02 48:53

And there's all these women just staring at him. Apparently, from Tarantino's research, that's how the family really did act on that ranch, is they would watch strangers, and if they were suspicious of you, they would just start surrounding you slowly.

SPEAKER_03 49:10

Yeah, I don't like that. Neither do I. It's creepy. Yeah, I think you're I that sounds like it's a hundred percent right. It's a hundred percent accurate, but um I don't like that at all. Me it's weird. All right, what do you what do you got for likes? What do you like about this movie?

SPEAKER_02 49:25

God, we could be here forever. Soundtrack. Yeah, on Saturday, well I have that. We're recording on a Tuesday. This prior Saturday, we listened to the entire soundtrack. Or was it Sunday? I can't remember.

SPEAKER_03 49:37

I think it was Saturday.

SPEAKER_02 49:39

Yeah, but the soundtrack was is freaking awesome.

SPEAKER_03 49:43

Yes, it is. Leave it to Tarantino to have fantastic music for his film.

SPEAKER_01 49:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:48

My first like is to begin with, pretty much everything. Um, there is very little that I dislike about this movie. So yeah, but yes, that soundtrack, I'm right there with you. The Spawn Ranch scene, I love it. Freaking love that scene.

SPEAKER_02 50:04

It it was almost like they shot it in one shot, like in one take. Yeah, you know, like everybody was on their A game.

SPEAKER_03 50:12

Yep. Don't know if um don't know if they did, but I I can see what you're saying there. Yeah, it definitely seems like they nailed it in front of the first take.

SPEAKER_02 50:23

So um in that scene, I was curious if Austin Butler actually was riding that horse, because that horse gets up and goes.

SPEAKER_03 50:32

Yeah, it does.

SPEAKER_02 50:33

Do you think it was really him?

SPEAKER_03 50:36

It's it's always a possibility. I would say honestly, more than likely not, but I don't know much about Austin Butler. Maybe he does know a thing or two about horses.

SPEAKER_02 50:47

Yeah. Um, so I actually looked up if he uh really did write that, ride that horse, and it was really him riding it at that speed. He went through some riding training before filming took place and then did some additional preparation for the role. Um, and most of the actors handled the horses themselves to make the environment feel more authentic.

SPEAKER_04 51:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 51:13

Um, and they wanted the ranch to look as it was operating when it did back in the day.

SPEAKER_03 51:20

All right. What do you got next?

SPEAKER_02 51:23

Um, the next thing that I liked was the really tiny Michael Madsen shot when he was in it. Um, I love Michael Madsen, and it's not a Quentin Tarantino movie without him. Yeah, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 51:37

So if if Quentin Tarantino does another one or does any more films, he's not gonna have that option anymore, unfortunately. R.I.P. Michael Madsen.

SPEAKER_02 51:46

Yeah, R.I.P. Michael Madsen.

SPEAKER_03 51:49

There's a a few actors that have little cameos in there. Michael Madsen was one of them. Um James Remar was another.

SPEAKER_02 51:58

Who where was James Remar?

SPEAKER_03 52:00

Uh in the beginning, in the very beginning, uh doing the bounty law stuff, and Jake Kahill socks him right in the jaw. Martin Cove, he's the one that says, You don't ever bring him alive, do you, Jake? He's uh Sensei Crease from the Karate Kid and Cobra Kai. All right. So my next one, of course, Rick and the hippies scene. Pretty much everything we've ever wanted to say to hippies, but probably never got the chance to.

SPEAKER_02 52:28

Yeah. So when I was listening to the Joe Rogan podcast with Tom O'Neill on it, um, and for those that don't know, Tom O'Neill wrote the book called Mick.

SPEAKER_03 52:39

Chaos.

SPEAKER_02 52:40

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 52:40

Um, what is it? Charles Manson, the CIA in the 60s or something like that. Yeah. It's like the subtitle.

SPEAKER_02 52:47

Yeah. And it's all about the CIA and like MK Ultra MK Ultra, um, how Charles Manson kind of gets into the MK Ultra Um and the Manson murders. They don't talk about the Labianca murders in this book, but if you're really interested in a journalist's perspective, I think it took him over 20 years to write this book.

SPEAKER_04 53:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:09

Um, because he did a lot, a lot of research. He actually got 60 pages of um in the back of the book where you can cite your sources. I don't, I can't remember what it's called, but oh um like an acknowledg acknowledgement page or bibliography or no, that's not it, is it? No, I don't know what he called it, but it's basically it lists his research. Cites his sources cited pages, I guess. Okay, yeah, we'll go with that. Um, but yeah, but he was um talking. I don't even know where I was going with this, but yeah, so Tim and that podcast with Tom O'Neill, um, they were just talking about a lot of stuff. I forgot what I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_03 53:52

That's right.

SPEAKER_02 53:52

Where were we at? What were we talking about before I mentioned the podcast? Oh. Because you were talking about one of your likes.

SPEAKER_03 54:03

Yeah, everything we got to the Rick and the Hippies scene.

SPEAKER_02 54:06

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:07

Everything we wanted to say to those dirty fucking hippies and never got the chance to.

SPEAKER_02 54:10

So that's okay. So on the Joe Rogan podcast with Tom O'Neill, he brought this up, Tom O'Neill does, is that um another theory is that uh the hi Charles Manson did these murders to make people afraid of hippies.

SPEAKER_03 54:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 54:26

That's just a theory.

SPEAKER_03 54:28

And that that's from Tom O'Neill. That's from Tom O'Neill.

SPEAKER_02 54:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:32

See, and then there's the book Helter Skelter, written by Vincent Buliosi.

SPEAKER_02 54:39

Maybe he was referencing Biliosi at this point. Yeah. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 54:43

See, because the Vincent Buliosi angle is Charles Manson, fell musician, had this, you know, gathered his family and uh manipulated them through LSD fueled orgies and everything, and how he was like their messiah and everything, and then he had beef with Terry Melcher because he's like, Hey, I want you to produce my music. And Terry Melcher was like, I can't do for you what I did for the Beach Boys. So sorry, not sorry, go piss up a fucking rope. Your music's not bad, but I can't do anything with it. Can't help you.

SPEAKER_01 55:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:23

And Dennis Wilson got tired of Manson and funding the family and paying for all their STDs, yeah, medicine, taking all their taking all the freaking money, his cars and shit. Spent over a hundred thousand dollars on the Manson family, is what we learned.

SPEAKER_03 55:39

Yeah, which in the late 60s was a lot of money.

SPEAKER_02 55:42

A lot of money.

SPEAKER_03 55:43

So there was all that. Tom O'Neill is all like, no, no, no, no, no, no. While some of that may be accurate, this um goes a little bit deeper. Yeah, quite a bit deeper, actually.

SPEAKER_02 55:56

Yeah. So it's it's crazy. Um, but yeah, so yeah, there we go.

SPEAKER_03 56:04

All right, you got any more?

SPEAKER_02 56:05

Oh, yeah, I do.

SPEAKER_03 56:06

All right, let's hear.

SPEAKER_02 56:07

Um, so a couple of things. Um the Mama Cass and Michelle Phillips from Um The Mom and the Papas, I thought that they did a great look-alike casting for that. Like almost looks like them, the real people. It was really good. I thought that was awesome. Um, and they're in the scene where they go to the Playboy mansion to um to a party. Um, another thing that I really liked was, and you had mentioned this, and I wrote this down, is when um the FBI episode comes on. So Rick Dalton is in an FBI episode. Yeah. And at some point in the movie, they go back to Rick's house, him and Cliff, they drink some beers, they order a pizza, and they watch his FBI episode, and you're watching clips of it, and it's almost like a nod to mystery science theater.

SPEAKER_03 57:03

That's I I you said that. I literally have one of those as one of my legs, too.

SPEAKER_02 57:07

Yeah, it's it's a very cool shot. Like you can hear him talking about it, but you can't see him because you're watching the screen.

SPEAKER_03 57:14

All that's missing is the camera behind them and just the silhouettes of them sitting in the yeah on the chairs and shit like that, just drinking beers and just being all like, oh hey, look at you there.

SPEAKER_02 57:24

Brandy chewing on a bone or something.

SPEAKER_03 57:26

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she can be sitting right next to him, just gnawing on her freaking bone or some more rat-flavored wolfstoot dog food or something.

SPEAKER_02 57:33

Which another thing that I like about it is when they come back from Italy, because obviously Cliff goes to Italy with them. I'm I'm was always thinking, Where's Brandy? Where's Brandy? Because I've missed the part, the scene, where he picks Brandy up from it looks like a doggy hotel or something. And even the front desk lady's like, bye, Brandy. So you can tell she's a good girl.

SPEAKER_03 57:54

Oh, yeah, I know. How do you how do you not love Brandy?

SPEAKER_02 57:56

Brandy is so it's so muscular, too.

SPEAKER_03 57:58

Well, she's a she's a pit bull.

SPEAKER_02 58:00

I mean, you're basically just rock.

SPEAKER_03 58:02

Yeah, and when she is like gnawing on uh on Tex Watson's nutsack in that scene, and he's like hitting her over the head, it's like hit her over the head all you want, dude. You can have a rubber mallet and she's not gonna feel a damn thing. Yeah, not gonna do anything to her.

SPEAKER_02 58:18

I mean, it probably can hurt them depending on how hard you're hitting them. You know, I would never want to know how hard you have to hit a pit bull to hurt it, but like um that was a like and a dislike about the movie for me, was the scene where she's getting hit in the head, but she's not, you know, reacting to it because she's like lock jawed on his nuts.

SPEAKER_03 58:39

Yeah, see, that is that is one of the see, and that's all right. I really enjoy that scene because she automatically, I mean, she's a highly trained dog for this movie, but in the movie is part of the story, you know, Cliff is her dad, and she loves him and is loyal to him, and you don't make a wrong move around him when she's around. We see that that's pretty obvious. And she like starts to make her move, and you see his hand just kind of go out, be like, no, no, no, no, no, no, not yet. And she just kind of lays back down.

SPEAKER_02 59:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:16

And then all it takes is a yep, boom.

SPEAKER_02 59:19

And she goes right for it because she knew there was some foul shit was about to happen. And you can even see in the beginning of that scene, um, when they're coming back into the house after their walk, that she heard stuff.

SPEAKER_03 59:30

She could hear.

SPEAKER_02 59:32

Yeah, and she's like trying to give off a little bit of a warning, and he he's all fucked up. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:37

You know, you're like it must have been some strong ass acid been sitting around for half a year.

SPEAKER_02 59:42

And yeah, not that I'm an expert on that shit, but I've never done acid and I don't ever will never do acid.

SPEAKER_03 59:49

So one time, one and done. Yeah. In my opinion, it's it's awful.

SPEAKER_02 59:54

So do you have more likes or do you want me to keep going?

SPEAKER_03 59:57

Um, I I do have more. Um, I like the use of the actual Sharon Tate footage in the scene where she goes to a screening of the wrecking crew.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:05

Yeah, yeah. Cause I think we had talked about that. I was like, is that really her or is that Maru Robbie? And it really they did use it.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:11

It was really Sharon. So I I do have to say this before I forget, I want to mention it. So there was this Facebook group called the douche canoe, okay? And it, I don't know how the hell it started. I don't know who started it. I know that a friend of mine who lives down in Texas, she used to live up around here. She added me to it, and I saw there was like a bunch of mutual friends that were a part of this thing, and I was like, all right, why not? Because at first it was just like really douchey pictures of guys. Like, you ever seen that picture where that dude's got that like that brown coat and that matching brown, like flat bill cap, and he's got it all bro style, he's got it kicked like backwards and kicked off to the side, yeah, and he's just standing there in the doorway like sub, you know. That was like the profile picture for that shit. People just shared stuff like that, and then it spilled over into like a lot of sexual humor, a lot of dark humor. Like, for instance, one time somebody said somebody was like, Describe your performance in bed by using a band name. Of course, everyone's all like Slayer and like Black Sabbath and all this stuff. And I put, because I just thought of this, I put the guess who boy people got some lash for that one. Anyway, my point is it was around Mother's Day one year, and somebody posted a picture of Sharon Tate holding up like a onesie, and it said, Happy Mother's Day, Sharon, and I was like, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:49

I've seen that photo. Yeah, yeah. She was um, it was like her baby shower that had happened just like a few weeks prior.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:56

I'm not not a fan of dark humor, but sometimes I think this murder is one of those things that dark humor should stay away from.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:05

Exactly. A baby was murdered along with its mother.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:09

Some things are just not funny.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:11

Yeah. I don't find child like child murder funny. No. Um, I don't find animal murder funny. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:22

Um Yeah, see, I'm I'm a big fan of true crime, right? And for the longest time, I would listen and you know, read up and listen to like podcasts about all these sick assholes out there. The ones that I wouldn't give the time of day were the child killers.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:41

But unfortunately, curiosity rears its ugly head, and it's like, dude, you're the lowest of the low, and that is saying something with a company that you fucking keep.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:52

Yeah. Which is why these this these murders um just always have not just sat right with me, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:01

Like I try to find as much information about why as possible because she was almost ready to give birth, and you had like and she's literally begging for the life of her child, and they're all like, we don't give a fuck.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:15

And it's like, dude, that that's beyond cold. In my opinion, that's beyond evil.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:20

Well, those people were manipulated by Charles Manson. Um, they were drugged by Charles Manson. Um, and yeah, they were not in their right minds. I mean, I don't know much about these people before they became part of the family. It'd be interesting to learn about them. Like, did they, you know, come from good family? It sounded like Tex Watson came from a good family, like he was gonna be a football player in Texas.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:48

Well, he he played high school.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:51

Yeah. Um, maybe a little bit in college, NFL, probably not, but and I know that like Tex Watson didn't come, didn't go right into the Manson family. He was a part of another group of people that lived somewhere else, and he made his way into the Manson family because I think where those people were living got destroyed for the building of some California Pacific Coast highway, I think. Oh, all right, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:18

All right. Now, before we run the risk of making this too sad, let's get back to our likes.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:24

Yeah, remember it's a serious situation.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:27

It is. That's why this is a tough episode to do.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:30

Okay, what's another one of your likes?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:32

Uh Cliff versus Bruce Lee scene.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:34

Oh freaking love it. That wasn't on my list, but it's an amazing scene.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:39

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:40

What do you like about it?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:42

Just it's just funny.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:43

I mean, and it's just yeah, it I like that Bruce Lee is like talking about martial arts and combat fighting or whatever. Yeah. And he's talking like it's a um an art, you know, which I guess it is. Boxing's a martial art. It's a it's a sport too. And then Cliff is just laughing it off, like who's this asshole?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:08

And then he only laughs when Bruce says that he would make well, Cassius Clay or Muhammad Ali.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:15

I'd make him a cripple, and he's like, Yeah, and then they get into a fight, and Cliff basically wins.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:23

Nobody beat the shit out of Bruce. He barely touched me.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:27

Well, technically, he did barely touch him because Bruce is running at Cliff. Yeah, and Cliff just basically takes the momentum of Bruce's running and just lifts him up and pushes him through the air with a little bit more force, and he goes flying into a car.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:44

Yeah, and that was a late 60s model car. I mean, those things were that's when they still made cars like practically brick shit houses.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:52

So to make that kind of dent, holy shit, man. So of course, then again, Bruce Lee, I think, weighed like 115 pounds or something. something. I mean, he's not a big man, he's a dangerous man, but not a large man.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:04

So and it's like another another thing where I think uh on the show Better Call Saul, where the character Mike Ehrman Trout is settles a debate. These two guys are sitting there talking about who wins in a fight between Muhammad Ali and Bruce Lee. And he says does Bruce Lee have a gun and they go no. He says well the fight's over in about 30 seconds then. Yeah. And Ali wins.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:29

I mean, hey, everyone's gonna have their opinions on that.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:32

So their opinions.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:33

Uh what about you? What's your next one?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:36

Um I really like the scene where um Rick Dalton is waiting for glue to dry on his hair wig or something. And he goes and he finds this little girl who's in the film Trudy, she's in the film or the TV, the pilot that they're shooting, Timothy Oliphant. Yes. And they have this long dialogue about you know being an actor and um stories and things like that. And it's just, I don't know, I really like it. That little girl like really was a great scene partner for him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:12

It was awesome to watch kind of scene partner for him.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:15

But yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:16

Especially you ever notice in that scene where he starts having that coughing fit and he hocks up that lung butter. You ever see the look on her face?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:22

No.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:23

She looks absolutely appalled. Yeah. You should watch that scene again. She's just like it's disgusting.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:31

All right my next one is Kurt Russell doing the narration whenever there is one. Um little that's that's that's Kurt Russell's voice. Oh nice. Yeah perfect perfect for the narration. I just love me some Kurt Russell have been a huge fan of his since I was a kid. Yeah I really have.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:50

He's pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:52

Oh yeah um what about you?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:54

Um the last like that I wrote down I mean I have some like fun facts but I'll save that for later um is Leonardo DiCaprio in this movie um was probably one of my favorites um moment things he's just so awesome to watch like he's literally one of my favorite actors of all time um and seeing how he portrayed Rick and how he really put his like put I don't know emotion like physical emotion he was able to emote that in such a a good way it it just you it wasn't Leo it was Rick Dalton you were watching. Oh yeah um I just I've loved watching how hard he works as an actor and you can just tell how much effort he puts into his craft um over the years and that on set I bet you he's really professional. Have you heard anything about how Leonardo is on set like if he's a diva or if he's nice I haven't heard anything he doesn't really strike me as a diva I do think it's a little weird how he likes to date these women that are now practically half his age that's a little strange but hey you know he's always loved dating models so it's no surprise that he just dates models. Yeah. Um so I asked ChatGPT if Leonardo DiCaprio is a diva on set short answer said most people who work with Leonardo DiCaprio say he is not a diva on set. In fact he's generally generally described as extremely professional and collaborative. And Quentin Tarantino has said that DiCaprio is one of the most prepared actors he's worked with and comes to set knowing the material deeply and Brad Pitt described working with DiCaprio as easygoing and very focused on getting scenes right.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:52

Yeah I hope I hope they work together again. Yeah very soon.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:56

Yeah me too I also don't do you think that he's curated his career to be an Oscar winner. Like you think this whole time because almost every movie he's been in is just a famous piece of work, you know? Or do you think that he just is very choosy on what he does.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:18

No I just he he might he might be choosy and there's nothing wrong with that. Um I I don't know if I'd say he's curated his career to be an Oscar winner. I mean he's he's been snubbed a few times but yeah you know that's out of our hands.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:38

But like any any great actor he's done a few stinkers he's done a few films where it's like which one do you think is a stinker? Jay Edgar.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:46

I don't think I've seen that one.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:47

I haven't seen it either but I've not heard good things about it. I'll have to watch it I think I've heard that it was probably a little historically inaccurate and just not great. Probably one he wishes he could give back but yeah yeah all the greats have done a couple shitty movies here and there.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:05

Yeah true what about Watsy and Gilbert Grape love it. I love that movie too love it so much.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:12

Love it. Okay and I was like that came out something like a year or two after he got done doing growing pains. Oh I mean yeah wasn't expecting that sound but yeah it was it's accurate it's fitting my next one and I cannot believe I'm saying this the code of fanning is squeaky from a small part never thought I'd say that about anything that the code of fanning has ever done but I did enjoy her portrayal as squeaky even if it wasn't all that accurate and I don't think it was if you've ever seen any clips of interviews with a real life squeaky you would see that she's more of a sweetheart on the outside clearly batshit crazy on the inside. I'll have to watch some interviews of her she never went to to um jail did she or prison oh yeah she's I believe she's in there now for the murders no not for the murders but she tried to assassinate Gerald Ford. That's right that's right I guess she tried to poison San Francisco's water supply or something like that. Damn and I think they had her locked up for obvious reasons and then it was just like she is fucked up. Yeah sounds like she cannot go anywhere.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:26

And apparently according to our tour guide out there she's got a book coming out so yeah I would be interested in reading that so as would I guess all right what do you got next that's the I've got all my likes.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:38

All right I got one more and we actually already covered it the scene where Rick and Cliff are watching Rick's F's uh episode of FBI and they're talking but the focus remains on the show. Yeah very MST3K yeah all right dislikes well this ought to be quick um the gate at the Polanski house they didn't have a gate no they didn't uh ironically after all this shit went down in real life that's when gates started popping up that's when guard dogs started getting bought that's when um handgun and rifle sales and all these self-defense tactics started being purchased and that I mean security historically happens like you know after 9-11 firearm you know oh yeah went up yeah prepper things like that happened people people go fucking nuts they do yeah but that's one thing that we did learn on the uh tour that we went on in LA is that there were no gates anywhere really because everyone in LA wanted to show off what they had um and then after these murders is when security gates started happening and like you said protection was purchased and so that was my only um true dislike was a few of the small historical inaccuracies of the movie um which I understand Quentin Tarantino is like mind-bending this situation you know yeah so I think if I I saw something where this film is kind of like his ode to the farewell of Hollywood's golden age. Yeah yeah and now like the entertainment aspect of Hollywood and everything was going in a different direction and all this happened at roughly around the same time and it was like it's a whole new world we're living in now.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:30

Yeah and I and that was one thing that Tom O'Neill had mentioned on the Joe Rogan podcast is that after these murders happened um people were like well 60s are done sixties are over yep it's an it's a new time now. Yeah about four months shy of the 60s actually being done yeah it's got a little bit of a jump sign I feel like it wasn't like a literal time reference I think it was a reference to like you said the golden age of Hollywood you know all right I got two dislikes my first one and then we'll get back to you Austin Butler cast as Tex Watson. It's why it's not come on seriously I don't have a problem with Austin Butler.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:11

I don't have a problem with Austin Butler either I have a problem with him cast as Tex Watson. Wow you've seen the real life Tex Watson no but I'll look him up right now the real life Tex Watson takes shits bigger than Austin Butler I got it right here. It's not that I dislike Austin Butler I may not be you know a huge fan of his work but I do not dislike him but I do feel that he was not a great casting choice for Tex.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:38

Sorry just I just don't think he was yeah okay I can see that he doesn't there's this one picture and he kind of looks like Pritchard a little bit yeah a little bit yeah might not want to tell him that though no I won't well maybe I will I don't think you care.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:57

Yeah you probably wouldn't um oh god what was I gonna say yeah I have not seen the Elvis movie where Austin Butler played Elvis we did watch that bike riders movie with him and Tom Hardy and we laughed at their really bad attempts at Chicago accents especially the one woman in that movie who just never seemed to shut up as I looked at you and I was like so what do you think of her Chicago accent? And you're all like it's it's not good. Middle Wisconsin that she had going on there.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:30

Yeah it was it was not good. Yeah one thing I do want to know is and I learned about this on our tour and also listening to the Joe Rogan podcast with Tom O'Toole or Tom O'Neill Tom O'Toole what am I thinking of Tom O'Neill is Tex Watson there are some tapes where he was interviewed like what 20 hours worth of interview if that if that I yeah if that or probably more yeah I think it was 20 hours is what Tom O'Neill said um and he was very close to getting access to those tapes and then LAPD got them um after the attorney for Tex Watson's trust like they got rid of them and now the LAPD even with FOIA requests will not release those tapes. And I just want to know what's on those tapes. What did Tex say?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:22

Oh I I would love to hear them too. I don't think we ever will though it's gotta be something that would blow this case out of the water like just be like it's the truth you know well you gotta think if there was if there was you know if he corroborated everything that we know or at least think we know we'd hear him I mean it'd be no it wouldn't be a problem.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:46

So there's a reason why we're not hearing him yeah and isn't there one f Manson family member that says she didn't kill anyone um Linda Casabian she yeah so yeah I guess she was like she was like she was a getaway driver she was there at the Polanski house but Linda Casabian was the one says that she did not partake in the murders and um she just kind of sat lookout and when everyone was done they all hopped in the car and did their thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:18

Ditched her clothes ditched the weapons all that shit so uh you have any other dislikes no all right I got one more okay I feel this is obvious Emile Hirsch is JC Brink now I will say that I do not care for Emil Hirsch. This may be the only thing I've ever seen him in and I really did not care for it. The scene where he's talking to Leo at the end of the movie clearly it's like dude you're out you're out of your depth it was like watching Keanu Reeves and Gary Oldman in Dracula it's like wow dude it's like you have and I'm not I love Keanu Reeves not bashing him but that's a great example of you have a Oscar winner over here and making Keanu Reeves look like a community theater actor but then Reeves you mean J C or you mean Emil Hirsch? No I'm I'm talking well yeah that applies here too but I'm I'm talking about that example with old men and Reeves.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:21

So I think that they casted him perfectly if you look at photos of J Cring compared to Neil Hirsch in this movie they look pretty damn similar.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:32

Sure physically yeah yeah but I'm just Emil Hirsch's acting is what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:38

I don't have a problem with his acting I think he was I think he was a little cheesy but wasn't the 60s a little cheesy up until these all happened about 12 years before I was born so well you can read about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:50

You do a lot of reading oh that's my ma I do and I do read a lot yes yeah all right on the cutting room floor Maya Hawk's character Flower Child is based on real life Manson family member Linda Cassavian the difference is is that Cassavian sat in the car while the murders took place and wanted to drive away but claimed to be too scared which I kind of see that. Yeah I could see that too I mean you could you could drive away but where are you gonna go? You got no money. Yeah I mean you're gonna go back to the ranch and just be like hey I just I left him there because I was too scared yeah you're gonna go back and talk to Charlie uh Charles Manson's crazy ass and be like yeah I left him there what do you think's gonna happen she'd be dead I don't think Charles Manson would kill her but well you never know they they think he killed Shorty Shea but then he claimed that he never killed anybody and I will also point out that I have listened to an interview by a guy by the name of Michael Thompson who did time in San Quentin while Manson was there. He says that the loopy ass crazy version of Charlie the whole crazy Charlie was just for the cameras in reality Charlie was a punk.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:04

Really yeah he was like that's what he called him that's what he how he described him he's like yeah Charlie was punk so it's like yeah your your crazy persona might fly out there not gonna fly in here dude there's people way more dangerous in the joint yeah than you you could ever yeah I would I would agree with that you said you had some fun facts let's hear yeah so um in the beginning of the film um you see some of the family dumpster diving which the family did do that to survive um and they're singing a song and I was curious because when we were on the tour we heard some of Manson's songs and some of the Manson family singing together. Yeah the song that they are singing is actually a song written by Charles Manson. I kind of figured as much yeah it's called um always is always forever also known as I'll never say never to always um so just just a little fun fact and they had the girl um that was playing Susan Adkins was the one that was singing the loudest in this scene as a nod to like one of the original family members Susan Adkins why the hell you want to give her a nod I'll never know. I don't know if you would consider it a nod maybe but just a little added touch.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:28

Yeah you know trying to really get into character which I admire. Yeah I can see that even for the darker roles you want to get into character. Alright my next one is Margot Robbie actually wore some of Sharon Tate's actual jewelry in the movie. It was loaned to her by Sharon's sister Deborah.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:45

Really? Allegedly allegedly well that's interesting because I did do some research about Margot Robbie and and Sharon Tate and was just curious about how much research she did because I thought she there were some scenes where her facial expressions looked just like Sharon Tate. Yeah like I was like holy shit um and she actually did speak with Sharon Tate's family. She worked with Deborah Tate um who supported this film um shared personal stories and helped confirm details about her personality and mannerisms so perhaps she did loan some jewelry to her sounds good to me. Yeah but I think I mean Margot Robbie did a lot of um research I mean she watched films and interviews um especially studying the wrecking crew and Valley of the dolls um she paid a lot of attention on how Tate moved laughed carried herself um and that Sharon Tate had a very light joyful energy and Margot Robbie wanted to capture that do you think she captured that I do I do too and she did a fine job. She did a lot of research on Tate's careers um or Tate's career especially in the late 1960s and um she also did a lot of research on the environment the cultural environment in Hollywood before the murders happened so um yeah I I thought she did an amazing job all right uh let's see did you have one because you just kinda that was my that was yours one since you had mentioned the Sharon Tate jewelry thing I thought I um would mention this about Mar Margot Robbie as well.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:39

Cool yeah all right my next one Joe Rogan did not care for the portrayal of Bruce Lee in the film he felt the film made Bruce look like an egomaniac buffoon when in reality he wasn't apparently Bruce Lee in reality in real life was a very intriguing very interesting person. And so yeah didn't he apparently he didn't care for it. I heard that right from the man's mouth yeah so when I'm doing my own research for this show.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:08

Yeah all right did um Joe Rogan interview Quentin Tarantino?

SPEAKER_03 1:25:12

Yes okay I'm gonna have to watch that or listen to it so am I yeah yeah I'll have to have to check that one out too yeah uh you got another one or no those were all of my fun facts. All right let's go ahead and uh let's go let's go ahead and let's bring this mother home you do that all right my next one is Burt Reynolds was originally cast to play George Spawn and Bill Paxton was originally cast to play Jim Stacy. Reynolds passed away before he could shoot his scenes and Bruce Stern was brought in to play the part Bill Paxton unfortunately passed while the script was being written and his role went to Timothy Oliphant oh really uh final one for this is Leonardo DiCaprio do not know why I'm having a hard time saying his name Leo Leonardo DiCaprio was apparently starstruck to be on set with one of his teenage idols a man known as the late great Luke Perry's that was kind of cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:11

Yeah um all right got some questions for you okay then we'll go to the Manhattan scale and we'll wrap it up what is your favorite Quentin Tarantino movie if it's not this one oh God I it's really hard for me to pick one um I would have to say it was it's probably this one.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:34

Really?

SPEAKER_02 1:26:35

Okay I love his movies though so it's really hard to pick it is hard yeah um for me it's Inglorious bastards that's my probably my second favorite but this this is a fantastic movie uh is this your favorite Leonardo DiCaprio performance if not what is um I hate answer I hate saying this. Why? Just go ahead just because I okay no it's not my favorite okay my favorite performance by Leo was in um Wolf of Wall Street. Me too yeah yep he was amazing another film he did with Margot Robbie yes and boy was she in that movie yeah all right last question what was your favorite and least favorite part of the Manson tour we went on um I would say my favorite part was seeing where the Cielo Drive house was yeah um the last person to own the cielo drive house was um Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails where he recorded what was the album?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:48

A Downward Spiral.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:49

Yeah so after that was recorded I don't know if he had the house demolished or if he sold it and the people that bought it had it demolished but now there's a new house Standing in the same lot, basically. So it was really eerie and cool to see that. I also see like the route that they took before and after the murder. Well, not before, but you know, after the murders. Um my least favorite part of the tour, um, probably the Scientology drive-by. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:26

Yeah, me too. I don't know why. It just it just creeped the hell out of me.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:30

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:30

It really literally made me uncomfortable to drive by that place.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:35

I mean, I had some bad feelings once we went through Beverly Hills and started driving up into the mountains or the hills of Hollywood. Of what I think it's we were in West Hollywood, um, knowing that people drove this to commit these horrible murders. Um, and listening to Charlie Manson while we were doing it.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:00

Yeah. Um, so listening to Jay Siedbring talk, listening to Sharon Tate talk.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:04

And Sharon Tate just the way she spoke, she just sounded like she was just a very sweet woman.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:10

You know?

SPEAKER_03 1:29:10

Not perfect, but no sweet.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:12

Yeah, but sweet.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:13

Um my favorite part would be when we ended up outside the La Bianca house, probably because that was the closest that we got. Because we there's well, Spawn Ranch really doesn't exist. It doesn't exist, burned down. And not that we could go there anyway, because that's all private property. Um couldn't go up Cielo Drive. Because once again, that's a private road. It's a private road, so we're not getting our asses up there. But it was it was kind of cool. I mean, even looking across that little ass canyon to see that and all that shit. But to be literally on the street right outside the La Bianca house. And of course, they got like something probably about 10 or 12 black garbage bags full to their brim, just sitting on. I mean, that even creeped out.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:57

That was creepy.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:58

That even freaked out our our tour guide a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:01

It's probably construction, they're probably renovating, it's probably like probably rolled up carpet or you know, tile or something silly. More probably, yeah. Um, but yeah. I also thought it was really cool going to the munchbox, which was where Charles Charlie Manson would sit and watch um Susan Atkins's um strip club.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:26

In a in a strip mall.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:28

Strip mall. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:29

And the hell's gonna go to a strip club in a strip mall.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:32

Yeah, watch for her to come out so he'd go take her money.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:35

And see, I I will bring this up again because we heard that during the tour, and I said, Did he take it or did she give it up?

SPEAKER_02 1:30:43

Probably give it up.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:44

With how manipulative he is.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:46

Yeah. She was probably glad to hand it over.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:48

Yeah. And it was cool to see, and hopefully, it was true that Charles Manson did carve his name in there and draw those little what were those called?

SPEAKER_03 1:31:00

A dune buggy or a turret. Turret. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:04

He drew a turret and a dune buggy, didn't he? And they rode Dune Buggies around Spawn Ranch. So I mean, right, it's either that really was his. I mean, it was kind of hard to read, but if he sat there for as long as he did, he probably got bored and just started. I mean, this guy probably he was manipulative, he was powerful with using his mind, but also a little kid on the inside, too, I think still.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:31

He had a pretty horrible childhood.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:32

Like that he did.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:33

You know, his what did she what did we learn about like his mother was a prostitute and would sell him for beer money and traded him for a traded him for a pitcher of beer. Pitcher of beer, and he would have to like sleep on in the closets in houses or like on the floor up against the walls or outside.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:53

And that passed around to his grandparents, and then just and then he may have just been a bad seed, or maybe he just felt that life of crime was destined for him and wound up in boys, you know, boys' towns and you know, reformatory schools and shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:12

He even tried he did burn down his school, didn't he?

SPEAKER_03 1:32:16

Uh set fire to it or burned it down or something.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:20

But I mean, like he had childhood trauma that he never addressed. And um, I mean, even now in this day and age, I feel like people are starting to learn about mental health a little bit more and how to deal with childhood trauma. And it's 2026. Um, you know, back then it was like you're just a pussy, you know, grow the fuck up, be a man. And he didn't have a childhood, and the childhood that he did have was full of crime, and that's all he knew. And not once did he have somebody be like, hey man, you know, maybe they tried, but maybe he was like, Nope, this is the life I need to live. This is what I know, and had didn't look back.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:01

And yeah, we'll never know.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:03

Because didn't he write a book or did he write someone interviewed him? Is it the man the Manson files?

SPEAKER_03 1:33:11

Something like that, yeah. I'm sure we could probably find something, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:16

I I can't remember what we were told on our tour, but I think the Manson Files that are online, online PDF.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:23

All right. Manhattan scale. How many Manhattans are your drink of choice do you give this movie?

SPEAKER_02 1:33:29

Well, since today I'm drinking raspberry lemonade from a crystallite powder pouch pouch, I'm gonna give it five lemonades.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:35

Give it a five?

SPEAKER_02 1:33:36

It's not my favorite movie, and I know I give Jurassic Park a five out of five, but it's my favorite director and my favorite movie by my favorite director. So and honestly, it's just it's a perfect movie in my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:51

I'm not too far behind you. I'm getting shit hammered off of four and a half Manhattan. Hell yeah. Giving us a solid four and a half.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:58

Is that the highest you've ever given a rating?

SPEAKER_03 1:34:00

Yes. Uh, because when I did the good uh the goodfellas episode I did was like the second episode, and it was only like 20 minutes long, and I was brand new to this whole thing, and it was just me. Um, and I didn't I I hadn't come up with the Manhattan scale yet. I think I said how it's my all-time favorite, totally recommend it. This and that, but yeah. So didn't have it then. So well, cheers, that's awesome. Yeah, yep. Four and a half, four and a half from me, five from you. So you got anything else you want to add, or no, I'm I'm good.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:33

I mean, people you should watch this movie. Um, it's a wonderful movie, not good for kids, so don't watch them unless they're over the age of 13.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:43

Don't know if any Tarantino movies are good for kids.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:45

No, they're very violent. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:48

Well, Mick Kids, we have come to the part of uh yeah, we come to my least favorite part of the show where we say that's a wrap, folks, in closed production for the time being. As always, I want to thank you all so much for listening. And Megan, I want to thank you for being on this episode with me. Didn't really have much of a choice, it was it was your idea. Uh, you can listen to this podcast on Spotify, iHeartRadio, and Apple Podcasts. Always remember to avoid the Church of Scientology at all costs. I can't stress that enough. Oh, and cults too. You want to avoid cults, they're bad news, and they can't do nothing for you. Other than that, that's pretty much the most sound advice I can offer as we close this mother out. So for now. Good night, everybody.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:48

When they left me in the water behind the green door.