The Cinematic Mick Podcast
The Cinematic Mick Podcast
Empire Records
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"My name is not WARREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!"- Warren G. Harding
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SPEAKER_02No, not today. We can't. Not a Rex Manning day.
SPEAKER_00Welcome back to another episode of the Cinematic Mick podcast. I am your host, Mick. And before we begin tonight, I just want to take a minute to make a little bit of an announcement here. It's actually not that little of an announcement. It's actually quite huge. After thinking about this for some time, I have decided to bring on a co-host. Now, this decision did not come lightly, but let's face it, the episodes I did on my own were for absolute shit. And believe me, it took a lot for me to admit that. As my ego is so huge, it surprises, well, even me from time to time. Now, we still gotta hash out any and all final details, but it pretty much looks like it's a done deal. Oh no, no, no, no, no. Don't make any noise while I'm talking, please. You're you're still new to this. I'm gonna let it slide. But anyway, but we'll get to all that later. All kidding aside, please welcome my co-host, Megan Abel. Megan, as my co-host, the mic is officially yours for now.
SPEAKER_09Oh, I'm so excited.
SPEAKER_00For now.
SPEAKER_09So excited. I can't help my mm-hmm. I'm Southern. It just isn't. Oh, yeah, no, I totally my son tells me all the time, Mom, stop.
SPEAKER_00Don't do it. Just be like, look, it's the Floridian in me. I can't help it.
SPEAKER_09No, I'm so excited to be co-hosting I love movies. I love people who love movies. I talk about movies. I quote movies. I relate my real life stories to movies. Really? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00That doesn't sound healthy.
SPEAKER_09But you know, I'm at like, hey, yeah, this kind of reminded me of.
SPEAKER_00I know. Yeah. I just I would have liked to have I I would have been okay with just running on my own. But the episodes I did on my own, they're just way too freaking boring. I'm talented, but I'm not that talented.
SPEAKER_09I mean, you need a little springle. I can be that thringle.
SPEAKER_00This voice is not enough alone on its own. And people have asked me, it's like, well, are you on YouTube? I'm like, I don't know if that's such a good idea. And they go, why? Why are you not on YouTube? I'm like, because then people would see these eyes along with this voice, and it'd be game over after that. I wouldn't stand a chance out in public. So I know.
SPEAKER_09I'm glad I'm glad nobody is on YouTube. And that's me being humble.
SPEAKER_00I actually I I have a friend of mine and I'm gonna leave her name out of it, but she said, um she asked me one time, she's like, Are you on YouTube? I said no. And she's like, good. Because if you were, I wouldn't be on. I said, Well, how about if I'm ever on YouTube or something like that? How about we just won't have that when you're on? Because she she is a wonderful guest to have some I have on here.
SPEAKER_09Not a lot of people like to be seen. I mean, the social universe is I don't have a problem with it. I mean it can be brutal though.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I I I I as I get older, I don't have a problem with you know, just kind of you know, putting myself out there. It's kind of like, you know, their treat, you know, not not mine, right? Mm-hmm. So just just let me have this, okay? Just please. Just let me.
SPEAKER_09I mean, I just turned 40 yesterday. So you know Was yesterday? Yesterday was your birthday? Yeah, it was yesterday. And so my new wave of I don't give a fucks is kicking in. You know, we're just gonna start it. There we go.
SPEAKER_00I love that. Yes. Well, happy birthday. Well, happy beling.
SPEAKER_09Thank you. Well, now it's Rex Manning Day.
SPEAKER_00So this early this first week in April is something else. My baby girl just turned 16 the other day. You turned you joined the club.
SPEAKER_09Hers is the fifth or the sixth? Sixth. Sixth. Yeah, yeah. Day different.
SPEAKER_00You joined the 40 club with me and my wife.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, you surrounded yourself with Aries. I know, I know.
SPEAKER_00And I'm a Virgo, if that means anything. So, uh anything else you want to say? Anything?
SPEAKER_09I mean, no, just excited.
SPEAKER_00You're just excited. I'm uh you know what? I'm not gonna bullshit anybody, I'm excited too.
SPEAKER_09And to co-host and start my co-hosting with Empire Records is so exciting because I love this movie.
SPEAKER_00It you know what, it is a good one. So, well, I mean, it's yeah, it's it's a fun movie. So all right, so now that that is all said and done without further delay, this episode is pretty special with the fact that it is officially Rex Manning Day. We only got a few hours left in Rex Manning Day, but you know what? We're gonna make them count, and you can be sure about that. This day, in my opinion, should be a national holiday along with opening day. Now I know you're not gonna argue with me on that one. Just saying. And with it being Rex Manning Day, we are doing this episode on Empire Records. Um, I have in here to talk to you for a little bit more, unless you have anything you want to add, do you? No? Well, if you got nothing, I think I'm actually gonna shut up for a little bit. Um, also difficult for me to do, but I think I can manage. And let's get to the trailer.
SPEAKER_04Just let me introduce you to everybody. Uh, this is uh Gina, Roy, Lucas, AJ, the staff of Empire Records had the coolest jobs on earth.
SPEAKER_03Do you think the story is already written? Or do you think a bold and courageous act can change the course of history? Something happened to me last night in Atlantic City.
SPEAKER_04Did you win anything? No, I did not. But Lucas blew it, everyone knew it.
SPEAKER_08You wanna buy umpire?
SPEAKER_04Well, that's a good thing, right? The money is gone. Where's it going to? I think it's recirculating. Turning us into a music town? I have to pay for what Mr. Brilliant here did. I'm the idiot, you're the screw up, and we are all losers. Now, five friends have one day to decide what to do with the rest of their lives. AJ loves Corey, not the whole story.
SPEAKER_02Today is the day that I'm gonna tell Corey how I feel about her. That I uh love her. Yeah. Do you think that it's possible for someone to be in love with someone else and not even know it? In this life, there are nothing but possibilities.
SPEAKER_03That is so sweet. I think I'm fine. Corey wants Rex first time at sex.
SPEAKER_02Hey Rex, what happened to your hair?
SPEAKER_01I will offer myself to Rex Manning. I wish I could be brave. You are brave. I have to bring Rex's life.
SPEAKER_03Mark's raging mad. Best day he's headed.
SPEAKER_02If I was in a band, they would not be doing this to me. Deb shaved her head and made out she was dead.
SPEAKER_05I tried to kill myself of the lady death.
SPEAKER_06It's your typical lady teenager.
SPEAKER_03You did have hair.
SPEAKER_01You get to tomorrow the story to go cats. I want to sing in a van, but I don't have the cats.
SPEAKER_04Check out the store. Empire Records open till midnight this March. Midnight.
SPEAKER_03Empire Records, featuring the music of Better Than Ezra, Gin Blossoms, Ape Hangers, Evan Dando, Toad the Wet's Crockett, and the Cranberg.
SPEAKER_08What is wrong with you people?
SPEAKER_03Rock and wrong.
SPEAKER_06I'll just make it everything.
SPEAKER_00Alright, Empire Records stars Anthony Lapaglia, Rory Cochran, Renee Zellweger, Johnny Whitworth, Liv Tyler, Ethan Embry, Robin Tunney, and Maxwell Caulfield, the cool writer himself. It was released October 20th, 1995, written by Carol Heikinen, and directed by Alan Moyle. Megan, you got anything you want to add?
SPEAKER_09No.
SPEAKER_00No? Alright, that's okay.
SPEAKER_09Ready to go into it.
SPEAKER_00Perfect. The film begins with Empire Records employee Lucas, played by Rory Cochran, as he is mentally preparing to close the store for the first time, it seems like, with specific instructions from store manager Joe, played by Anthony Lapaglia, of counting the money twice, not touching his beer, which I feel is very important, his cigars, or his drum kit. After some encouraging words from co-worker Gina, played by Renee Zellweger, to not screw it up, Lucas fails miserably uh miserably at the latter part of the closing process. He then discovers that Empire Records is in the process of being purchased by the dreaded chain store Music Town. The name is lame. So knowing this, Lucas decides to take the money for the nightly deposit and hightails it to Atlantic City. After strutting confidently through the casino and bringing luck to nearby patrons, Lucas decides to gamble the money at the craps table. Solely convinced that he is guided by a force much more powerful than luck. Lucas bets, wins, but foolishly lets the bet ride, rolls snake eyes, and ultimately loses it all.
SPEAKER_09Mmm. Mm-mm-mm. Lucas.
SPEAKER_00I know.
SPEAKER_09Tiss Tisk.
SPEAKER_00Really shit the bet on that one, didn't he?
SPEAKER_09Oh yeah. So I feel like, you know, we definitely in the beginning you see that Lucas is kind of a rebel. Kind of. You know, but he also needs a lot of guidance. Yeah. Because he's very, this is what Joe told me to do. This is what I have to do. And then, oh, nope. Damn the man.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Well, Joel told you to Joe, I said Joel. Joe told you to count the money twice. Not bet it twice, dickhead.
SPEAKER_09Mm-hmm. Yeah. Lucas, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah, he went in there too. And it's, you know, I love when movies do this where they like have a character who thinks like it's going to be like in the movies, and then they're promptly like realizing, no, this is real life, and I just lost everything.
SPEAKER_00After he loses it all, he just looks at the camera and it's a little fourth wall break, and wonder if I'll be held responsible for this. Just a bit, Lucas. Just a little bit there. And I like how he says, if I if I win this money, if I win this bet, uh I can't remember verbatim what all he says. He says he'll save the job of all jobs of all of his friends, and the place he works being taken over by the man. They're all quiet, like, the fuck is this kid talking about? And then it's like, and I'll buy everyone a drink. It's like, Lucas, you're in Atlantic City. If you're gambling, you're not paying for drinks. Or maybe that's just a Vegas thing. I don't know. They do that in Vegas.
SPEAKER_09I don't know. I think high roller is everywhere. Any casino. Yeah. Casino. If you're betting lots of money. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00That's a $9,000 bet.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, I was going to say 9,000 is a decent amount to start your bets with.
SPEAKER_00Like you sure you know what you're doing? Clearly, he doesn't. All right. Should we keep going?
SPEAKER_09Uh well, yeah. I was going to say, um, when he did get this, but it it's really funny how he treats the situation too. It's kind of like, oh no, now I'm in a pickle. And I always say, like, that's a level of seriousness people take is like the pickle seriousness. You know, like, oh no, what a pickle. And that's just kind of where he's at with it.
SPEAKER_00Kind of like in the sandlot.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, it's interesting to see. Uh did a big thing, but not not that worried. Not that stressed out about it.
SPEAKER_00No, he seems to be, he's he seems to have this air of confidence about him. Like it's all gonna work out.
SPEAKER_09It was meant for good, though. It I was doing good.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but you still cocked it up.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00The intent was there.
SPEAKER_09Well, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
SPEAKER_00I think I heard that somewhere. Yeah.
SPEAKER_09Yeah. It's the road to heaven is paved with good actions.
SPEAKER_00Oh, okay. I better get to work then.
SPEAKER_09So all right.
SPEAKER_00The next morning, Joe opens the store along with Empire Employees AJ, played by Johnny Whitworth. I I have seen him in this in one other movie, and he plays the exact same character. I was gonna wait to say that.
SPEAKER_09Oh, who? AJ or AJ?
SPEAKER_00AJ. He sucks.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, I was trying to think of other movies that I had seen him in, and I looked at the list of movies that he was. Um The Rainmaker, and I was like, Oh yeah, he was the the patient, the kid who died who really yeah, I haven't seen it. His part was so minimal, and I was like, That's that's the only other thing that I've seen him in. I couldn't think of another.
SPEAKER_00He was in a movie called Bye Bye Love.
SPEAKER_09Didn't see that one.
SPEAKER_00It's it's not terrible. It's about three divorced dads, and they meet at a local Mickey D's to do the kid swap with their exes and everything, and he plays a guy who works there. He plays essentially, in my opinion, exact same character that he plays in this.
SPEAKER_09Well, uh, what is it, Ethan Embry? He kind of does the same thing too, but he's likable. Yeah, I like it. I really, really like it.
SPEAKER_00I can love Ethan Embry.
SPEAKER_09Yes, I really do. Yeah, he's he's always so good. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So AJ, played by Johnny Whitworth, and Mark, played by Ethan Embry, and they are soon followed by Gina, who we mentioned earlier, and her best friend Corey, played by Liv Tyler, and eventually Deborah, played by Robin Tunney. They, with the exception of Corey, are all there with the mock enthusiasm over washed-up pop sensation Rex Manning, played by Maxwell Caulfield, visiting and having an autograph session at Empire Records to push even further the success of his new album and latest single, Say No More, Monimore.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, setting up Rex Manning Day.
SPEAKER_00That title is freaking awesome.
SPEAKER_09I just think of the old lady, say no more mona more teeth and everything, and he just looks like he's in agony.
SPEAKER_00I don't know. I just I wouldn't want anyone singing at me like that either, to be honest with you.
SPEAKER_09No, I can only imagine what stars go through and what they experience meeting their fans. You know, like I got to be weird uh in my room alone with the TV and have weird reactions to things, let alone like I'm gonna show you that part of myself. You know what I mean? When I meet you. Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_00It's like, no, really, it's coming. Trust me.
SPEAKER_09I met Miles Teller and I yeah, I tried to be so cool that I was like, yo, you're just like everyone else, you know. Like I didn't want to make his head too big because he was already getting, you know, fans just everywhere. And so I took a picture with him and I look ridiculous. Like I can never show this picture. Like, this is how bad I look. Oh, yeah. Like I'm gonna be able to do it. Yeah, I'm just yeah, I'm just an idiot in a moron. And I'm like, why didn't I take that opportunity to smile with fucking Miles Teller?
SPEAKER_00Hold on. I I I have gotta hear this. Where did you meet Miles Teller?
SPEAKER_09Uh oh God, what is the name of that bar? Lemon Bar in Jack's Beach. Okay. Atlantic Beach. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Is he there getting all shit hammered?
SPEAKER_09Uh he apparently had a friend who lived there and was a local who was visiting either family or friend or something to that effect.
SPEAKER_00But I do like Miles Teller a lot.
SPEAKER_09I mean, yeah.
SPEAKER_00I liked him in whiplash very much.
SPEAKER_09That's why I was trying to be cool. I was like, you're just like everyone else. You're gonna fall in love with me because I treat you like everyone else. You never know.
SPEAKER_00Maybe you did. I mean, maybe he's like right now just being like, why did I ever want to be?
SPEAKER_09Like, do you do you need a haircut while you're in town? Do you travel with your hairstylist? Do you need a traveling hairstylist?
SPEAKER_00Oh man, that's awesome. Um, were you the one that told me to watch the show The Offer? No, damn it. Somebody somebody suggested I watch the show The Offer, and I didn't, I really enjoyed it. It's about how all the uh trials and tribulations that everyone went through to get The Godfather made. So I did watch it and I didn't I enjoyed it very much.
SPEAKER_09Well, I have no idea what you're talking about, so I will I will look into that. Yeah, offer the offer. Someone that's a show?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's like a a one-season show.
SPEAKER_09Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00Limited series. All right, you got anything?
SPEAKER_09No.
SPEAKER_00No? All right. So after Lucas Nabs a Shoplifter, a teenager with a tough attitude who gives the name Warren Beatty and is referred to simply as Warren throughout the rest of the film, Rex shows up with his manager Jane, played by Debbie Mazar.
SPEAKER_09I love her.
SPEAKER_00I do too. I like her in entourage. Yeah.
SPEAKER_09She didn't admit. I love her. She always she's another one that kind of plays the same character, you know. Tough, a tough bitch. She always plays a tough bitch, a tough cookie. Not in good fellows, though. No.
SPEAKER_00No, not so much in good fellows. She's all she's way too coked out to be a tough bitch.
SPEAKER_09But even I was I was eating lunch today and at a restaurant and they had friends on, and she was in that episode of Friends. Really? Yeah, she she was giving birth in the room with Rachel. And yeah, so uh she had her husband and she was like arguing with her husband, like New York style, you know. Oh yeah. You don't call my husband that only I can call my husband that. What are you talking about? I'm just like, oh, she's still the same.
SPEAKER_00All the hand movements and everything and all that shit. Rex sporting a brand new hair dude that I will gladly pay Megan here good money to one day do to my hair. And hands down, the best suit these brown eyes have ever seen. Seriously, the black velvet suit with the purple silk shirt. I think on my best day, I could pull it off.
SPEAKER_09The frill. The frill of it.
SPEAKER_00I know, all right. What do you got?
SPEAKER_09Oh, I was uh just with this um wait, did you did we talk about the shoplifting? Yes. Yeah, we did.
SPEAKER_00You didn't we kind of touched on it.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, well, you mentioned uh Warren. Uh I just did the scene where Lucas runs after Warren to catch him is one of the hottest scenes. Uh Lucas made me like edgy guys in this. I was like, oh my god, he's so cool.
SPEAKER_00How he slyly takes off his shoes and doesn't even put on a pair of like Chuck Taylors or something like that.
SPEAKER_09I don't even know. He like Mr. Rogers that situation left. It was like an edgy Mr. Rogers moment of you know, and then getting in the car, which I had to look closely that I'm pretty sure the um the the car was on stilts, the one that he like opened the door.
SPEAKER_00I think that it was actually on stilts if I um uh like on a flatbed or um like on a on a toe or it was I don't think it was a toe.
SPEAKER_09I think it was just stilts, but it could have just been one of those movie moments of like, oh, we didn't really think this through when we put him in the car. This stationary car that can't go anywhere.
SPEAKER_00He takes Warren's ass out. At one point in time, is it really worth it? It's like he's already made it out of the store in a weird way he goes back to the store.
SPEAKER_09Oh my god, he just keeps coming back, he just keeps showing up throughout the whole thing. It's hilarious.
SPEAKER_00Warren, you're not exactly a criminal mastermind here. You didn't really plan this out, did you?
SPEAKER_09I I do love uh Lucas's look with like the sideburns, the dark hair, kind of like the comb forward bangs with the turtleneck, and he had the brown leather jacket.
SPEAKER_00Also, it's a bit of a beatnik thing going on there.
SPEAKER_09Yes, but also like very that thing you do, you know, kind of Beatles-esque, you know.
SPEAKER_00I enjoy that movie too.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, which also Ethan Embry was in. So sure was. Yeah. I just I connections.
SPEAKER_00I the only thing, and I I really this didn't bother me until I started playing bass, but Ethan Embry's character's name in that movie is the bass player. That's all that that's that's his character's name. I think I've always thought that that was so lame. Seriously.
SPEAKER_09Oh, I guess I never realized that I've seen that movie. I used to have the soundtrack, and I never realized that.
SPEAKER_00That's all they call him. They just refer to him as the bass player. And you know, at the end of the movie where they're telling like where everyone's lives went up, you know, how he went into the Marines and everything, and he took a little bit of lead at Queissan. They he's they break his name down into initials, so it's TB player. And I was like, seriously, fucking lame. Are you what are you talking about? You couldn't give him a name?
SPEAKER_09That's hilarious. I would have to watch that and notice that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's uh that's all they ever refer to him to is the bass player.
SPEAKER_09Oh well, he made I loved him as the bass player. He was TB, man. Ethan Embry, TB.
SPEAKER_00He was, yeah. Tuberculosis. Yeah, he was good. He was he was very good. Not a lot of lines.
SPEAKER_09That's hilarious. I did not know that.
SPEAKER_00All right. So moving right along. Corey demands to bring Rex his lunch, which goes almost perfectly with her plan to offer herself to him for whatever reason. She wants to lose her V card to Rex Manning. Aim a little higher, honey, but okay. Um let's see here. Yeah. She for some reason she wants him to be her first. But when the moment arrives, Corey becomes disgusted and leaves for the roof, where AJ finally professes his love for her at the worst possible time. Unbeknownst to him. I gotta give him credit there. He had no idea. This leads to Corey and Gina having a fight with each of them attacking the other's lifestyles. Corey being a tad bit, self-righteous, and a prude. Gina's words, not mine. I don't know if she actually said prude, but I think she was kind of hinting at that. And Gina with her, well, how should we say um loose morals?
SPEAKER_09I mean Je ne sais quoi.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean, I'm saying if Empire Records were a real thing and I weren't there and Gina was a coworker, I myself probably wouldn't complain. But you know, these are all big ifs.
SPEAKER_09I've I've got a lot. I've got a lot on this whole where we start. First off, I love when Corey comes into Joe's office and asks to give Rex his lunch.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_09I mean, it's a lot like me. I am an Aries that, you know, you have to stroke the fire in order to get it to like rage, and I'll always be like, oh, really nice about it the first couple times. But then if I'm not getting my way, you just become convinced that oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00So you're you're fucking with me right now. Okay. That's not a good idea.
SPEAKER_09You can obviously see Corey has a lot of pent-up aggression. She's just always underneath the surface.
SPEAKER_00Well, I'm sure there's a little something there that's not helping with that.
SPEAKER_09Oh, oh, yeah. And we'll we'll get to that. Yeah, the pressure from dad, all that stuff.
SPEAKER_00And we'll get to something else in a little bit.
SPEAKER_09No, uh, but the excitement too that I think that she was gonna have with, you know, of course, meeting Rex Manning and then potentially like losing her virginity to him and giving that to him. Uh but it's just it she romanticized it way too much in her brain. And what it hit a reality moment of him like just being kind of a gross man, like unzipped pants, I just finished eating full belly. Yeah, we're gonna do this let's talk kind of attitude. And she's like, wait, what? Let's fuck attitude.
SPEAKER_00Well he's he's kind of probably used to it.
SPEAKER_09Oh well, yeah. I mean, he was acting like he's fulfilling a duty to his, you know, fans, like, all right, this is what you want to do, but leans back and it just like goes to show you like men haven't changed much in uh since medieval times of like I just got done eating, get on this dick.
SPEAKER_00I reject that in principle. I really do. As a man, I reject that in principle. Okay, we've we we have come a long way. Maybe not so much, but men in general, they've kind of passed me up. We've come a long way.
SPEAKER_09And then you have what uh poor AJ, you know, not not a good moment, not a good time to like tell your feelings, read the room, although he's been preparing for this moment, like throughout the movie, yeah, and talking about it. And yeah, just that really sucks.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and I especially like how he's all trying to talk to Joe. He's all like, today's the day, Joe. It's just like once again, like you just said, AJ, read the room. Joe doesn't give a shit about you trying to stup Corey, okay? All right, he's got bigger problems going on, and AJ, that dumb fuck, he's just all like, by lunchtime, Joe, by lunchtime, by 117, Joe, I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell her that that you love her.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, basically, like, I'm gonna be so brave. I'm gonna be so brave today, Joe.
SPEAKER_00AJ, you want to be brave? Lose that stupid sweater that you're wearing.
SPEAKER_09I mean, I can't argue with like I really loved what he was wearing, everything about AJ in this movie. He was so cute.
SPEAKER_00Was very 90s. Was very 90s. So cute. All right, so uh let's see. Uh Corey being a tad bit self-righteous and approved, Gina with her loose morals. In retaliation, Gina returns to the store and seduces Rex, as Gina is kind of known to do. After Rex and Gina's rendezvous is discovered, Gina and Corey have an even worse fight, and it's here where it's revealed that Corey has been basically popping pills to be able to study more.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Not a good thing to do. Understand. I mean, as a Harvard alum myself, I understand wanting to get in, but at what cost? Honestly, what are we talking about here?
SPEAKER_09Do you remember no does?
SPEAKER_00I do.
SPEAKER_09God, that was like basically like legal speed for us.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Just caffeinate the shit out of us and a couple of uh couple of rungs below trucker speed.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Trucker meth.
SPEAKER_07Oh, god, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Took no does one time. Um, didn't didn't not particularly care for it. No, never took it again. Never, yeah. Not my thing.
SPEAKER_09But the 90s was very speed, like a lot of moms. You remember, like a lot of moms were doing it basically, you know, get all their stuff done. They were like getting a prescription version of it.
SPEAKER_00Maybe I don't I I didn't pay that close attention. So yeah.
SPEAKER_09We watch a lot of those movies where it's like, how'd they get it all done? You know?
SPEAKER_00Now we know.
SPEAKER_09Mm-hmm. The 80s, man. But yeah, Gina. Gina, Gina, Gina. And her little sluttiness, slutty ways. What's the problem? I mean, it's not even like I don't even mind her sluttiness, it's like her promiscuousness, or however you want to call it. I don't mind that. I do mind that she's not a girl's girl in this moment, and that's what makes her a slut. Not being a girl's girl.
SPEAKER_00It's like the worst kind of revenge bang, too.
SPEAKER_09It's just like No, I I remember being young, and my sister kissed a boy that I liked, and I mean, like, she didn't even she didn't even know. Like, you know, there was no communication whatsoever indication to her. Also, he was not my age. It was never gonna happen.
SPEAKER_00Did he too young, too old?
SPEAKER_09He was way too old, like too old. Two and a half years older than me, and he was a little bit older than her. It was never gonna happen. Oh, okay. Yeah. So I mean, but like I still hold a grudge, let alone it being like this superstar, megastar that I idolized, wanted to give my virginity to, and I talked about. And you knew how I felt.
SPEAKER_00Like it's a little bit different, but I don't really think anyone's on the winning end on this year. Maybe Rex in a little ironic twiz. Rex is the only one that's on the winning end of this whole thing.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, even though he gets like shunned from the, you know, place because of it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah. A little bit of symbolism there.
SPEAKER_09You're like you're gross. Get out.
SPEAKER_00Like, dude, this is how irrelevant you are. Like, take your purse and get out of my store.
SPEAKER_09Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00No, I would not carry around a purse. I would wear the hell out of Rex's suit. I would wear that, but I would not carry around a purse or a man bag. That's not gonna happen.
SPEAKER_09Man bags.
SPEAKER_00I'm a wallet guy through and through. I think that's pretty obvious.
SPEAKER_09So did you ever have a chain on your wallet?
SPEAKER_00I did.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, were you a Jinko jean wearer?
SPEAKER_00Uh yes. Not now, not the like really big, like flared out, bell bottom-y shit where you couldn't even see someone's feet. No, the gin codes that I wore were just um baggy enough. Still, to this day, most comfortable jeans I've ever had.
SPEAKER_09Oh yeah, I had a pair. I wish I still had them. What was I thinking ever giving those things away? Now they're like a million dollars to get if you want to get them.
SPEAKER_00Well, the the gene codes that I had um really would not it would be really pointless for me to have them now. Uh my waistline has gotten quite a bit bigger.
SPEAKER_09I just want it for nostalgic reasons.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's true. I've been thinking about retiring my base over here and getting like a glass case to finally retire that old girl. Maybe we could do that for Jinko jeans.
SPEAKER_09I I wish I would have a glass case of Jinko jeans and yes. And that is how you know most men got their wallets out of their pockets because one, they were sagging so much, or two, their Jinko jean pocket to the floor, so they they're like yank the chain up to get the wallet. Yeah. Give me about two minutes, man. I'll give you five bucks.
SPEAKER_00Just gotta find it here. These pockets are deep and not in the good way.
SPEAKER_09I don't know what's in that wallet. I haven't seen it in a while.
SPEAKER_00That reminds me of a story a long time ago when I still drank rock star energy drinks. Uh and I basically think to this day that drinking paint thinner is probably better for you than drinking that shit.
SPEAKER_09That's what I tell my husband.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I I don't I don't drink that anymore. Give me my coffee and I'm good to go. So, but uh when I still um when I still drank that stuff, I would stop at the gas station just out, you know, in town where I work, and uh I remember I had the exact amount $2.13, $2.13, little slayer reference there, boom. And I was really pressed for time. I don't think this kid was wearing Jinko jeans, but they were like Jinko style jeans, real baggy and shit. So I get in there, I've only got like a few minutes to get my ass down the road, punching, so I'm not I hate being late for work. It wouldn't have cost me my job or anything, but I hate being late for work. So I'm standing there and this kid is digging in these pockets that are probably about two or three feet deep. And he's pulling out all sorts of shit. He's pulling out lint, old snot rags, and he's pulling out like handfuls of change, all to buy a fucking pack of Marlboro reds. And I'm standing there and I'm like, I'm like, you've gotta be fucking kidding me. So he's sitting there and they're and they they tell him the price for his pack of smokes or his pack of cowboy killers, and he's sitting there and he's like counting the change in his hand, and I'm just like, I will buy these cigarettes for you. So get your stupid ass out of the way. So he finally pays for his uh cowboy killers. You're not gonna believe this. He stands there and he's like, and this is almost exactly how it happens. Like, um, um, can I um can I um uh can I uh can I um use your bathroom? And I stood there and I came this close to being like oh my god, dude, it's a gas station, okay? It's not the Beverly Hills fucking polo club where you need a gold key. It's a gas station. Go use the fucking John. What are you doing, you asshole? I'm like, you you clearly are not late for work. I can tell by looking at you, you clearly don't have a fucking job. Some of us have to get to work. And I was just all like, oh god.
SPEAKER_09Oh, people's self-awareness is really for the future, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Self-awareness, yeah. This kid couldn't spell self-awareness. And I was like, Oh, you son of a bitch. I'm like, this is why there are not so much anymore, but this is why back in my late teens and early 20s I really didn't like people.
SPEAKER_09Oh, we could do a whole episode on like what we hate about the public, just moments. I mean, just the other day I had a shopping cart incident, and I just couldn't have been more infuriated at someone of their laziness and the fact that I had to get out of their car. They watched me move their cart because it almost hit my car.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Or what was it one time years ago? Um, somebody opened their car door and it dinged the side of the chunk of shit that I was driving at the time. And he, this asshole knew, and he just shut his door and just walked away like nothing happened. I got out, I was like, I was like, hey. I'm just kind of standing there with a look on my face and my hands out being like, what the fuck, dude? And um the person I was uh I was with at the time was all like, stop. He's a very prominent businessman in the area. I'm like, I don't care if he's Lee fucking Iacoka. So I don't give a shit. It's I have a little respect for other people's property.
SPEAKER_09No, I would hate anybody who hit my car. I don't care who you are.
SPEAKER_00No, hate's a very strong one.
SPEAKER_09No, not not hate. Hey, I would hey. Not hate. I would hate anybody. No. I would hate anybody who and the ego on this prick.
SPEAKER_00He just kind of like turned around, looked at me like the little people. Little people's upset. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, well.
SPEAKER_07Well, you just yell back at them like I now I know why your mom doesn't like you.
SPEAKER_00Fuck you too, you impotent scumbag. There you go. Boom.
SPEAKER_07Yes.
SPEAKER_00Roast that motherfucker. Uh, all right. Such language. After Corey's short-lived back that back to brass tacks now. We've we've had our uh bitching moment about the public. After Corey's short-lived meltdown, Corey and Deborah of all people connect, and all the employees have a mock funeral for Deborah due to her. I I have possibly, but it's not possibly due to her being suicidal.
SPEAKER_09Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Or is it possibly being suicidal?
SPEAKER_09I mean, she did say she tried to kill herself, but with a big razor and it's big. Yeah, and it didn't get her very far.
SPEAKER_00Took forever just to break the skins.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, so I mean, one, if you are super determined, you will get there. Yeah. That is just a thing. Yeah. Not to be not to sound morbid and like, you know, rethink your decisions, people. I do not support suicide.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, exactly. Yeah, not to make light of the situation or so.
SPEAKER_09But I I, you know, I knew so many teenagers like her and who had shitty home situations, and I just loved her so much. I loved her character. I love her as an actress too. Robin's honey. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, but yeah, it was just when she shaved her head, and you know, like that's gotta be a little bit liberating of just kind of taking something, taking some edge off of what you need, but it broke my heart. I did love how everybody used the funeral to like for their own reasons. Like, hey, I was kind of a jerk earlier.
SPEAKER_00Lucas, I used to piss my beds while I was like 10.
SPEAKER_09Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Well, I mean, is it wrong? I mean, no. What does Mark say? I think Mark just says something goofy. That's all he does is say goofy shit.
SPEAKER_09I don't know. He does come back in and tell wait, does is he the one that tells everybody that Warren has the gun?
SPEAKER_00No, I think um Warren pops off around, and that's how everyone knows. It's like, oh, it's Warren. He's shooting up the store.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right, that's right.
SPEAKER_00And and that brings us back to my notes here. Uh, Warren returns to the store with a hand cannon loaded with blanks, because of course he would. And we all come to the conclusion that all Warren really wants to do is work at Empire Records. At least that's what I took from all this. When the media arrives to report on the shooting at Empire, the shooting in quotations, Mark takes the opportunity to preach to the masses to damn the man and save the empire. There you go. I knew I picked you for a co-host for a reason.
SPEAKER_09I meant save the empire.
SPEAKER_00See, now now he just cheapened it. This results in many local townspeople showing up to donate money, buy albums, and all sorts of other random shit. And even live music with Gina finally getting to sing in a band, which is apparently at Deb's mock funeral, something she's always wanted to do.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, her confession.
SPEAKER_00Yep.
SPEAKER_09Which she did, and she did good.
SPEAKER_00Yes, she did. Uh, to no surprise at all, they raise enough money to replace the cash that Lucas gambled away, and Joe uses it to buy the store from the owner Mitch, a yuppie schmuck who'd rather sell shitters than records. With the party being pretty much over, Corey meets AJ on the roof where she then professes her love for him. Because we're just gonna go ahead and disregard the fact that she just tried to take it up the coast from Rex Manning a couple hours ago.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And then she also had some kind of freaking speed meltdown and started trashing the store. And Bill kept her job.
SPEAKER_01I do love that.
SPEAKER_00Joe, you really sure you? I mean, I get wanting to buy the place, but you really sure you want to keep the staff? I mean, they're either gonna be great for business or horrible for business. So a bit of a coin toss there.
SPEAKER_09But that's what makes a music store, you know. That is true. All the misfits. That is very true. The different genres of people to match the genres of music.
SPEAKER_00They are oh, no, go ahead. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_09No, I was just gonna say, uh, Warren gets arrested and just comes back. Just gets arrested and comes back. Like, how are you getting bailed out? You have a rich dad. That's that's why you want a job. That's why you tried to rob a store and shoot it up because you are rich. I I believe it. Because how can you get bailed out so many freaking times in a day?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it just keeps he just keeps on coming back. Yeah, doesn't anybody work in this store? I work here. Like, since when? You didn't fill out a W4, you asshole. You're not on the books.
SPEAKER_09No, and I do I do love that they're like, Yeah, we'll give you a job. Sure. Yeah, no problem. Like, you fit right in, you know.
SPEAKER_00He kind of does.
SPEAKER_09This store, yeah. Come on, we had someone try to kill themselves.
SPEAKER_00We got Lucas, we got Mark doing whatever the hell he's doing.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, we got quarters glued to the floor. Come on, come on in.
SPEAKER_00As if I couldn't stand AJ enough.
SPEAKER_09Yes.
SPEAKER_00AJ and Corey are soon joined by the rest of the Empire staff, including Jane and Warren, and they're all dancing on the roof because how in the hell else do you end this movie? And that is the end of the movie.
SPEAKER_09Yeah. Oh man, the guy who Mitchell, you know, the man that they're trying to damn.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah. Mitch freaking rules. I know they called him a yuppie schmuck earlier.
SPEAKER_09Mitchell, I mean, no, he's a sniveling little rich kid who quite literally would rather sell toilets than music, but isn't that a metaphor of all corporate, you know, snivelling weasels? Like they deal with shit rather than, you know, being proactive.
SPEAKER_00Gives a little brief little backstory on him on himself when he's talking to Rex. He's like, My grandfather opened this stuff as something and bideting. It's like it was my beatnik father in the 50s that turned it into into a record store. You know, if I'd be selling toilets right now, I'd be a rich man. And even Rex is looking at him like, uh-huh. It's like, yeah, you do realize I am technically a musician, right? I can give a shit about your toilets.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And your bidets that spray that coal route that cold water right out the right out the butthole.
SPEAKER_09Well, if you have a good bidet, you can like choose warm water.
SPEAKER_00Oh, it's gotta be cold. Gotta rough it. It's gotta be cold.
SPEAKER_09At least that's just I mean, I wouldn't want a piping hot anything.
SPEAKER_00That'd be awful. Yeah, that would be awful. I'd be a little more sanitary, but holy shit. Uh all right. What do you got for likes? Unless, unless you have anything else you want to add.
SPEAKER_09Uh no, I was my likes are I love the Fat Man Stands Alone. I had mentioned this during the trailer to you of it, you know. I think they, you know, these movies in the 90s, they always are connected because it was like a small group of people that did certain types of movies and they give nods to things. And so the Fat Man Stands Alone, they is a family ties quote, but they kept saying family life was what this guy, Rex Manning, had starred in. And so I think that was a little thing. But uh also the quote, um, what was it? Uh Jim Morrison, the time to hesitate is through.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, that might be Lucas's first mistake right there, quote quoting Jim Morrison. Are you a Doors fan or a Jim?
SPEAKER_09I mean, I like them. I can listen to them, but like I'm not a huge fan.
SPEAKER_00I I love the people that are, I mean, appreciate, but I just honestly think that the you know, Jim Morrison in real life, he just would be a rough hang. It's like, does this guy really talk like that?
SPEAKER_09Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Oh, well, he was philosophical and everything.
SPEAKER_09He was messed up all the time. Well, yeah, you know, seeing seeing crazy things, doing crazy stuff.
SPEAKER_00Oh, but I always quote whenever whenever Jim Morrison comes up, I always quote Dennis Leary from No Cure for Cancer. It's like, I can do we really need a two and a half hour movie on the doors. I could summon up for you in five seconds. I'm drunk, I'm nobody, I'm drunk, I'm famous, I'm drunk, I'm fucking dead. End of fucking story.
SPEAKER_09Pretty much, yep. That is Jim Morrison for sure. Uh let's see, what other legs did I have?
SPEAKER_00My aunt has seen his grave in Paris. It's like this uh Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The the bust of him.
SPEAKER_09This guy got a bust. I don't have a bust. You you should invest in a bust.
SPEAKER_00I'm going to.
SPEAKER_09Bust is an investment.
SPEAKER_00I'm just gonna put it right out right out there in the backyard. I'm not even dead yet, but it's it's gonna happen.
SPEAKER_09And then when you do, I'm gonna be like, wow, Mick, you're busting now.
SPEAKER_00You did it. You got your bust.
SPEAKER_09I one of my other likes was Mark. Well, I just love Mark in general, but like Mark tripping balls to Guar.
SPEAKER_00That's what I mean.
SPEAKER_09Guar is already such an insane freaking band.
SPEAKER_00Have you ever seen Guar?
SPEAKER_09Yes. I have two. I had a friend, well, like not live, but I've seen videos.
SPEAKER_00I have seen them live.
SPEAKER_09Oh, oh, that I'm sure that was quite an experience.
SPEAKER_00It was. You you go ahead though. You go first.
SPEAKER_09I just had a friend who listened to them and tried to make me a mixed CD with Guar songs, and I'm like, please don't. I don't ever want this ever again.
SPEAKER_00Sidama go-go. Whatever. I th I think I know, like maybe I think I can remember maybe two or three Guar tunes.
SPEAKER_09Were you a like, were you a mosher?
SPEAKER_00I I yeah.
SPEAKER_09I'm I'm uh well honestly, it doesn't surprise me.
SPEAKER_00I well not not every single time. Uh there were some pits that I wasn't gonna have any part. Oh, did he? Did he hotbox you? Yeah, he fucking does that.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_00And I and I can't turn a ceiling fan on because apparently the mics will pick up the hum from the ceiling fan.
SPEAKER_09So I just gotta suffer from the stink of the dog.
SPEAKER_00Well, just hold on. Just just keep talking. Maybe I can I can do something here. Just keep talking. Whatever you do, do not stop talking.
SPEAKER_09No, uh yeah, I had a friend who loved Guar. I never understood it. I mean, I could get down with slipknot, but that is not guar status.
SPEAKER_00No. Um, yeah, I don't yeah. Guar there they are a bit of an enigma. I will admit that. Um but I I saw them live over in uh Davenport. The this place called the Freight House. They used to have a small venue, and really I was actually surprised to hear that Guar was gonna be there. Because I'm like, I know a little bit about their live shows, but is this stage gonna be big enough for this shit? And that's I don't know how familiar familiar you are with them, but what they do is they take people man, that's starting to come over here now. Um they take people that are like really relevant at the time, and they have these big figures made like in the likeness of them, right? So I saw him, this was 2004. So Arnold was still the governor of California, and they brought him out there, and all they do is they just they have these things full of fake uh fake blood, and they just you know, in air quotations, they kill them, and then the fake blood just starts going all over the crowd. So they did Arnold, they did Paris Hilton, um, and then this one right here, I did not find funny at all. And I think a lot of people at the show also didn't find it funny. They did Lacey Peterson. Oh, yeah. Oh, you just heard like this ominous hush come over the crowd. It's like whoa.
SPEAKER_09Like too too far, man. Yeah, it's a a bit like you could bite the head off a bat and we'd still be here, but like yeah, you can't that got Ozzy banned from Des Moines for life.
SPEAKER_00Pissed on the Alamo. It was Des Moines. He pissed on the Alamo, got banned from San Antonio for a decade, but he bites the head off a live or a real bat in Des Moines, and they said no, you can't come back here.
SPEAKER_09Well, yeah, I mean, bats are protected.
SPEAKER_00That's a very good point. Yeah, I didn't even think about that. Yeah, you're right.
SPEAKER_09Like, if you I think there's like a loophole, like if you really wanted to get some kind of tax break or something on your property, you know, you put a bathouse, and I think you have like protection of certain things.
SPEAKER_00I thought about putting one up out here. Yeah. Sometimes like they have fires in the backyard, and just it's not fun getting eaten up by gnats and mosquitoes, and a bathouse will take care of that.
SPEAKER_09I think they're great. I love when they come out.
SPEAKER_00And I I guess what they say the uh the room love bats. I'm not a huge fan. Um Megan is convinced that I'm that I like was loopy as shit when I was I looked in the attic and I saw two just kind of I mean, I don't want to hang out with them, like you know. But they are essential.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, I I I care about them. But I don't really want to hang out with them unless they, you know, weren't baddie. They weren't as baddy.
SPEAKER_00Just don't, you know, get all rabbit and bite me, and we're cool, man.
SPEAKER_09No, but yeah. Ugh.
SPEAKER_00When they said our our next guest that we're gonna bring out, please welcome her straight from the Bay Area, Miss Lacey Peterson, and everyone was just all like no. It's like that's um, and yeah, you can you can imagine where they went with all that. So yeah. Yeah. There's a limit. Yeah, there's there's yeah, there's a limit to dark humor when it comes when it comes to me.
SPEAKER_09So yeah. Same.
SPEAKER_00Uh, but yeah, I agree with you totally on the whole.
SPEAKER_09Separates the psychos from sarcastic people.
SPEAKER_00Yes. Um, so yes, I'm right there with you on Mark. He's hands down my favorite character. He is a total dork, but a lovable one. And I would gladly word with a dude like Mark at any job. Any job.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, he's kind. He's a good, like, hard worker. Uh he's actually pretty smart, you know, with his idea of like, hey, yeah, we can save the store. I've got this idea. I'm gonna go and get on the news and promote this store. Which would never happen.
SPEAKER_00They would just cut the feed and cut the country.
SPEAKER_09I don't know back. Back then, they let things ride. It was live, you know, like do the god, I'm we'd need to say, we need to say cut, but nicely.
SPEAKER_00The 90s were just so beautiful. I love them.
SPEAKER_09The freedom.
SPEAKER_00Uh-huh. Let's not even get me started on all this. We'll be here all night. Uh, what do you got next?
SPEAKER_09I love Eddie.
SPEAKER_00I love Oh, the the pizza delivery guy?
SPEAKER_09Yeah. I love that. You know, honestly, I didn't even realize he was the pizza delivery guy until you just said that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that or he just like steals random pizzas.
SPEAKER_09I knew that before. Oh, but him and his like music, uh, a taste of him trying to broaden Mark's horizons. I was saying, because Mark is all like punk and metal. Oh, yeah. I mean, he's a mosher. He was a mosher.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I've I've been in a few mosh pits. Um, I've only started one. I've started one. It was during Mudvanes set uh the summer sanitarium tour in Cicero, Illinois. Cicero. Yeah, the Hawthorne racetrack. They were getting ready to play the song Dig. And we were standing there, we're standing there, and I was all like, well, if no one's gonna start this pit, I'm starting this pit. It was the one and only pit I ever started. And uh, but I yeah, I've I've been in a few pits.
SPEAKER_09I'm trying to think if I had been in any like regular mosh pits, but I was definitely like I went to this, I went to this, it was a um like a hardcore Christian band. Uh-huh. Yeah, you know, and like they mosh to it, but it was, you know, like Jesus is the way we love Christ. They're not wrong. I went with a friend, she wanted to go. It's like, wow, so this is what you're into. Yeah. Awesome.
SPEAKER_00But there was one jag off uh at that summer sanitarium show that really obviously did not understand what it's what it's all about to be in a pit.
SPEAKER_09Oh, there's always that guy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, there was this uh younger black kid, and he's in the pit, and and the whole thing is like someone falls down, you help him up. You're not in there to hurt anybody, you're just in there to mosh. That's all you're there to do. Well, this other Jagoff probably had about 60 pounds on this kid, short, stocky guy, waits till this kid turns around. So this kid's back is to him, and he just straight up dick buckest style, just runs, drives his shoulder right into this kid's back, sends him right into me.
SPEAKER_05Oh no, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And I caught this kid. I'm like, dude, I'm like, you alright? He's like, Yeah, I'm good. And like somebody got a hold, somebody like flagged down security, and people were pointing at him. It's like, this asshole needs to go. Yeah, get him out of here. Yeah, he's gonna hurt somebody. Yeah, he really, like I said, I wasn't kidding when I said he had about 60 pounds on this kid.
SPEAKER_09No, I love that monsters they they do want to like maintain the fun. Yeah, you know, like don't no, we can't we can't get shut down because we're hurting people. Yeah, we gotta have fun. Get out this testosterone.
SPEAKER_00Now I've seen Slayer Live one time down at Peoria. I wasn't going into that pit. I don't think I don't think I would have made it. I wouldn't want to. I truly do believe that the type of band playing dictates what kind of mosh pit you're gonna be.
SPEAKER_09Oh, of course.
SPEAKER_00Slayer pits, even Metallica pits, because the mosh pit I saw when Metallica took the stage at night, they weren't they weren't messing around. That was that was for the men, and I wasn't quite ready for that yet.
SPEAKER_09So no, yeah. I love I love Mark though.
SPEAKER_00Yes, yeah, back to back to business.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, and Eddie. I I loved Eddie's musical, like just love. He just loves music and he loves things and people, and he's kind of like a little walking little rainbow.
SPEAKER_00Yes, he is, he is. He just kind of just kind of brings like cheer and advice. He even tries to give AJ some sound advice, basically, in a nicest way saying, like, dude, you're not good enough for Corey. Yeah. So yeah, she's Harvard. Yeah, you're Harvard, and you're like, you know, not even community college. You're trying to go to old school and your art sucks.
SPEAKER_09He's the only one that sees it. Uh, we've got you know, homegirl Corey who had a mental breakdown. So she's, yeah. Oh, Brett, you're gonna go to school close to where I am. Yeah, oh God, I wow. That's like three months. Three months is what I give that.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. I got that, I got that from one of my dislikes. But there's no way that relationship works. She's gonna start freaking banging her one of her professors or something like that, or she's gonna find someone that you know is not trying to solely make a living as an artist, and what the fuck's he gonna be doing? Yeah, going to some fucking jagoff art school in Boston.
SPEAKER_09What other dislikes did you have?
SPEAKER_00Well, I do have a few more likes.
SPEAKER_09Oh, okay. Yeah, hit me with your likes.
SPEAKER_00One thing at a time. So speaking of Eddie and Mark, uh, the post-credit scene with them sitting there, Eddie makes a fantastic point on how there are many bands that have better bass lines than Les Claypool from Primus, even though Les Claypool is an amazing bass player. That's another thing. When I was younger and I started playing bass, I got asked that question so many times. Can you play any Primus? I'm like, no, no, I can't play any Primus, you stupid fuck. Why not? Because that's hard. Okay, there. It's hard to play. I mean, there are some Primus tunes that I probably well, Primus, like parts of Primus tunes that I probably could handle for a little bit. Then after a while, it's all like, no, no, I'm I'm I'm not there yet.
SPEAKER_09I'm gonna have to refresh myself on Primus.
SPEAKER_00Oh, the fantastic band.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, I'm gonna have to refresh myself.
SPEAKER_00Uh there's so many people, um like armchair bass players out there, people that either don't play bass or don't even play an instrument, would always say, like, oh, he's the best bass player in the world. No, he's not. Not even close. He's a fantastic player, phenomenal player. Best in the world? Uh uh no, I don't think so. If if I had to pick, I'd I'm honestly more of a fan of Flea. I grew up with the Jelly Pepper Zillow too, so that makes a lot of sense. Uh let's see. Do you have any more likes or uh not really? Okay. Then we'll just uh move this along then.
SPEAKER_09Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Uh the Days and Confused Easter egg. There's a sticker on the back of the cash register for Days Confused. I film that Rory Cochran and Renee Zellweger both starred in. Uh Rory Cochran played constantly Stone Slater, and Renee Zellweger had an uncredited role. So there you go.
SPEAKER_09Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Uh next up, soundtrack. Love the soundtrack to this video.
SPEAKER_09Love the soundtrack.
SPEAKER_00Uh the ACDC scene. Not sure why it's in there, but I have no complaints. Lucas does not do a bad Bon uh bad Bonscot impression.
SPEAKER_08No.
SPEAKER_00And uh Mark's Guar hallucination. We kind of touched on that earlier.
SPEAKER_09Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Fight back, Mark. I've seen Guar live, they're not that scary. Don't let all that makeup and then and theatrics intimidate you. It's all mind over matter. And my final like Sugar High.
SPEAKER_09Oh, yeah. Sugar High was a great song. It was a great song. She did great, loved everything.
SPEAKER_00I guess that's actually Renee Zellweger singing too.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, oh, you can tell. You can tell in her voice. Yeah. Just of her regular voice. And yeah, you you can a thousand percent tell.
SPEAKER_00I always thought they um overdubbed it.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, I I think I thought that uh initially, but no, that is her voice. You can you can totally tell. Yeah. Oh, I loved I love that too, and let's see. There was one other like that I had, but I can't think of it right now.
SPEAKER_00That's okay, it'll come back to you.
SPEAKER_09Yeah. Do you remember Sam Goody's uh music stores? Yes, I do. Yeah. Not as cool as this music store.
SPEAKER_00No, not even cool.
SPEAKER_09That is a dislike, is that there aren't any music stores like this music store very anywhere.
SPEAKER_00I think the last the last shot that we had might have been hot topic, but I was then it just became about like t-shirts and novelty. Well, see, I bought a lot of t-shirts from Hot Topic back.
SPEAKER_09I mean, they had great t-shirts. They did, they really rockabilly thing they went through. I loved the Rockabilly stuff. I was a big cherry fan, so I had a whole bunch of cherry stuff. That's all right. From Hot Topic. It's also where I got my you know, belly button rings. Okay, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, that was uh that was a cool place. They had this, they used to have this uh binder over on a like a table kind of towards the back. Um, at the one locally. I don't know if they did this at every single one, but they had this binder back there, and if you had a band and you had a flyer for a show, you could put it in there so that people flipping through it. So that was kind of cool. Uh my only complaint about Hot Topic was I don't think I ever bought a CD from there because way too jacked up. Oh, yeah. Pretty typical.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, I don't I don't think I bought a CD from there either. I was always Sam Goody or Walmart, but like, you know, if I wanted the curse words, I couldn't go to Walmart. Remember, Walmart wouldn't let you buy them with the with the curse words in them.
SPEAKER_00Eventually, you know, there were sometimes, on rare occasions, one just kind of slipped through the cracks. And you could buy the big boy CD from Walmart. All right. Why don't you start us off with dislikes here?
SPEAKER_09Oh, I mean, that was pretty much my thing is that uh stores aren't like that anymore. Um I mean, there wasn't really too many. Too, too many. I think people needed to be a little bit more responsible.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, um, I don't have a whole lot of dislikes either. I wouldn't say this movie is like great, but I really do enjoy it.
SPEAKER_09Oh yeah, yeah. It's it's uh definitely I love it. And also as I the older I get for nostalgic reasons a lot, the soundtrack was amazing. The uh everything like you have a group of teens, you gotta love those movies where you have a teen that fits every stereotype pretty much, so everyone's included. And then you know, they start off separate and then they make their way towards the we're not all so different. Look, we all have problems.
SPEAKER_00Sure, you do.
SPEAKER_09That's what they bond over.
SPEAKER_00Not really any real problems. Maybe well, maybe Corey and possibly Deborah, but everyone else is pretty much solid.
SPEAKER_09I mean, Gina might have an SCD. Let's let's be honest.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but probably a curable one, so it's fine. Let's hope. Uh, my first one, um, surprise, surprise, my first dislike, AJ. He's twitchy and weird, and in my opinion, has got no shot at making it as an artist. And of course, Toad the Wet Sprocket is on the soundtrack. This guy is dressed like someone who listens to Toad the Wet Sprocket. Of course, he does. Um, what do you got?
SPEAKER_09I mean, no, I don't really have a lot of dislikes. Okay. I can see your distaste for AJ. He is kind of a weenie.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. It's like, uh, quit just quit your bitch. Get a damn haircut.
SPEAKER_09Artists are weenies.
SPEAKER_00You look like a fucking clown. Get a haircut. You know, at first I Mitch was a dislike, but you know what? He's he's been upgraded to um to a like. I do like Mitch. I don't know why, I just do. Uh, another dislike. Corey basically popping speed like the Rems. It's just pushed it away, side. After she has her little moment, she trashes Rex Manning's cardboard cutout and has her little freaking meltdown. It's all like, oh well, dunk her head in a sink full of cold water and have her fall in love with AJ. And well, look at that.
SPEAKER_09Every everything's and we'll just never mention the drugs again.
SPEAKER_00Yep, exactly. Oh, yeah. Speed, what speed? I I don't do that stuff anymore. Since when? Oh, I've been clean for about a good 45 minutes. Well, you are making progress. We're proud of you.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, yeah, that is that is a very good dislike to not like the drugs.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, exactly. Uh Corey and AJ fall in love at the end. The scene is just lame. And she's all like, and I love you, and I still love you. It's like, you do? Really? Once again, you were getting ready to take it in the jaw from Rex Manning mere hours ago. Her But did did you love me then when you were getting ready to fuck some old ass man?
SPEAKER_09Yeah, but who cares? He got what he wanted. That's all that artist little cares about. And it's like, she, I didn't hear the won, wah, wah, wah, wah. I don't love you before.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's just and he's all like, Corey, Corey, Corey. I quit.
SPEAKER_09Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00I'm going to art school in Boston. It's like, whoa, dude, pump the brakes. I don't need you following me while I'm trying to go to Harvard. Yeah. All right.
SPEAKER_09Yeah.
SPEAKER_00You're going you're going to art school? When when did you get accepted, AJ?
SPEAKER_09I will say that I do have a dislike when she does tell him that she loves him, and after she like beats the crap out of him to tell her these feelings, uh, then she like fake feints. Yeah. And it that just really irritated me. And I was like, dude, if these aren't all red flags.
SPEAKER_00AJ, dig your head out of your ass, AJ. Run. Corey.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, like when you don't come home on time, that little episode she had in the store is going to be your life. Exactly. Yeah. That store is going to be your home.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's it's not going to be a good time for you, AJ. Run.
SPEAKER_09Or, oh my gosh, imagine they break up and then he starts dating someone else and then like Oh, psycho. Yeah, Corey has all the makings of Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. That is a very good point. I never thought about that. Yeah, Corey's just going to be everywhere. But the thing is, is that if she finds someone else, it's going to be fine. But yeah.
SPEAKER_09Yeah.
SPEAKER_00It's like, no, only I can have you. No one else can.
SPEAKER_09Yeah. And it has to be my idea.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Or I at least have to think it's my idea. Yeah. Very good point. Yeah. Corey is maybe just a tad bit batshit.
SPEAKER_09Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00I'll I'll take the self-righteous.
SPEAKER_09You get blinded there for a little bit of her beauty, and she's a smart girl, and you know, and you're like, oh, she's so innocent because she's a virgin. But then you're just like, oh, yeah, you're crazy.
SPEAKER_00You were gonna go into work early, do some calculus, and fuck Rex Man. Corey, you need help.
SPEAKER_09The math is not mathing there. Yeah, it's not.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's not adding up here. Screw calculus because clearly, like basic math here is a little too advanced for you. All right, moving right along. On the cutting room floor, first one I got. Robin Tunney really did shave her head in this movie, resulting in her having to wear a wig for the craft.
SPEAKER_09Did you like the craft? I did, but I was a witchy teen.
SPEAKER_00Oh, okay. Yeah. Also big, yeah, big in the 90s.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, I still have witchy tendencies. I yeah, but that one that was crazy. Like it took me a really long time to be able to watch it because it did scare the freaking crap out of me.
SPEAKER_00Well, Firoza Balk will do that to you. She will. She's she's pretty scary.
SPEAKER_09Yeah.
SPEAKER_00You ever seen American History X? Yes. Yes.
SPEAKER_09I mean, it's her it's her mouth. It just looks like it could eat your whole head.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. She's got like that kind of like Mick Jagger, kind of Steven Towns sort of mouth. Yeah. But you know, way scarier.
SPEAKER_09Mm-hmm. Yeah, I shouldn't have to do it.
SPEAKER_00They use their giant ass Mr. Red mouse for good instead of evil.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, then yeah.
SPEAKER_00So yep. Yeah. Piss on that minimal. Next one, speaking of Mr. Steven Tyler, um Coyote Shivers, who or Shivers or Shivers, uh who plays Burko, was married to B. Buell at the time of filming. This made him Liv Tyler's stepdad.
SPEAKER_09Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00He was.
SPEAKER_09Interesting.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but then again, you know, B.B. Buell got around.
SPEAKER_09That's weird.
SPEAKER_00Liv Tyler's dad is Steven Tyler and her mom is B.B. Buell.
SPEAKER_09The life that Liv must have had.
SPEAKER_00I don't know.
SPEAKER_09Just being surrounded by all of this.
SPEAKER_00It's all rock and roll, man. It's all rock and roll in the end. Uh the song Video Killed the Radio Star by the Buggles playing during the setup for Rex Manning. It's the first ever music video played on MTV. MTV's been around for something like over 40 years, and thank you very much for 18 years of music.
SPEAKER_09Mm-hmm. Right.
SPEAKER_00We were actually me and a couple guys from work were just talking about all that uh real world and road rules and all that horse shit. So yeah.
SPEAKER_09I have a story for you.
SPEAKER_00I don't want to hear it.
SPEAKER_09Uh too bad. The so real world and that road rules eventually like had that challenge show, right? You know, where they kind of merged and then they were trying to compete for money and whatever have you. Don't remember anything. Anyway, one of the guys who was on there, he was a bartender in Jacksonville. And Derek was his name. And he had come into I was working at the haircuttery in the Avenue's mall in Jacksonville. And he came in for a haircut kind of later at night or whatever. And uh he sat down, I, you know, was a walk in and I got to take him or whatever, and he looked so familiar to me. And I I, you know, of course, watch those shows, but he just looked so familiar to me and I couldn't pig where I knew him from. And so I'm looking at him and looking at him, and I'm like, sorry, uh, I you just look so familiar to me. Like, have we met before? And he was like, started getting, he was already very arrogant, sitting in my chair, just kind of douchey. And then he's like, Oh yeah, where do you think you know me from? And I'm just like, Oh. One of those guys. Yeah. And I mean, with all purity in my heart, the sentence that came out was one of the most gratifying things. I was like, Were you my waiter at Chili's last night? Yes. And he was like, No, I'm Derek. I'm from the Road Rules Real World. And I was like, oh, oh, because you looked so much like my waiter last night.
SPEAKER_00Just like him. Only he's way more talented.
SPEAKER_09But I mean, that guy really went nowhere. He was still bartending bars in Jacksonville. Oh, God. I'm sure he still is.
SPEAKER_00Do you like reality TV?
SPEAKER_09I mean, I do. You do? I do. Oh, that's such a shame. No, I love I love great movies and great TV, but I um I like to watch stuff that I don't necessarily like shows and stuff that is scripted, I get invested in, and I can't not, you know, and I'm I'm like, oh my god, I this needs to and the reality TV, I was like, oh my god, these bitches are crazy. And you don't have to feel so much better about my life. And like, did that person really say that? Do they know they're on TV? Yeah. And yeah, that's pretty much well.
SPEAKER_00See, I I will uh come home sometimes and Vanderpump rules will be on. And I I try not to rip on it because you know, Megan, she likes it, and it's like, and I'm the kind of guy where it's like, look, if you like it, it's not hurting anyone, I say slaunch it good for you. Just because it's not my thing, it's all good, it's fine. So I try not to make fun of it too much. But it's like any of those other kind of reality shows where it's a collection of some of the most beautiful people you've ever seen, but some of the most stupidest people you've ever seen.
SPEAKER_09It's great. It's so great.
SPEAKER_00It's not great. Vanderpump rules, it's like fabulous. It's like pure napalm to all the senses, Megan. What are we talking about?
SPEAKER_09And now you need to understand why I wanted you to go, like when you were in LA, to go in the back alley and get into a fight. You needed to throw some cunt words around.
SPEAKER_00You know, that honestly could have happened to the cigarettes. And some tweaker, I think, I think he was the tweaker, uh, yelled at my wife and I wasn't there for it. Like, apparently she got in his way.
SPEAKER_09Oh, we can't have that kind of fight. You just need like a fight amongst the stuff.
SPEAKER_00I would have I would have suplexed the shit out of this guy. No, straight at Broccoli.
SPEAKER_09The back alley of Thur does not it doesn't do homeless man fights. It is all like bitch, you slept with my boyfriend. Fuck yeah.
SPEAKER_00Well, that Sandoval, that Sandoval guy does have a very punchable face.
SPEAKER_09He does. And it only gets more punchable.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and he's got that uh he's got like that mustache that probably has a little bit of coke in it. And it's just like, dude, it's like you're like a like a little bit of a rat boy thing going on here. Oh, it's all right.
SPEAKER_09No, he does. Uh yeah.
SPEAKER_00Very punchable face.
SPEAKER_09No, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Like that um, who's who's that asshole that put on that fire fest? That was it, Scott McFarlane?
SPEAKER_08Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00That dude. That's a face that not even a mother could love. Oh he's just all like all woodchucked in the face, all like, well, we're gonna have all these losers swim with pigs. It's like, really? You want people to spend like 20 grand for a ticket to your bullshit concert that didn't even happen? And you're gonna call them losers? So, okay. Go make some more of those weird credit cards, asshole. And leave people alone. Leave uh leave Ja Rule alone, too. Man never did anything to you. All right. So, uh, do you have anything or anything you want to add?
SPEAKER_08No, that pretty much wraps it up for me.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Just got a couple questions here, and uh then we'll pretty much uh put this one to bed for Rex Manning Day. I only was able to come up with two. Uh did you have a favorite music store growing up?
SPEAKER_09Uh yes. Uh it was called Seventh Heaven.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_09And it was on Seven Highway in uh Blue Springs, Missouri. I think it's still there. I haven't been in. I also got my first um like spike bracelet. Yeah, I went through a little rocker phase with my Jinko jeans. And uh yeah. Right on. I got my first spike bracelet. I would hide it from my dad in my pocket and then like forget it was in my pocket and be like, ow! Oh, I shouldn't have sat down. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00You asked me about my chain wallet earlier that I had back in the day, and it was just one of those things where uh I worked with this one girl and she thought it was so funny to grab onto the chain when I was walking by. She did it all the time, no matter how many times I had to just be like, that is really annoying. Please knock that shit off. And she just keep on doing it. It's like, no, no, no, you're you're not listening. Okay. I'm not being cute, I'm not being funny. Stop grabbing the fucking chain. Stop it.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, I I definitely went through like this punk phase. But my I was I was what they call like a Jesus freak, where we were kind of like dress like freaks, but I was a big hardcore Christian. Okay.
SPEAKER_00Um with that.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, but I had like I had one point my hair was short and it was just spiky all over my head. I probably looked like I could have hung out with like Wayne Static, like been like related to him.
SPEAKER_06This Wayne Static. I've seen Static X live once.
SPEAKER_09I had seen like there was a couple guys that were in my youth group that had hair that they would stand up like Wayne Statics and like use wood glue for their fucking hair. It was impressive. That impressive.
SPEAKER_00That does sound very impressive. I'll never forget the one and only time I saw Static X. I was like, whoa. I was like, look at that hair. That's uh it takes the attention away from the goatee.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, I was like Powerman 5000 hair. Well that's that's PM5K. What was your favorite music store?
SPEAKER_00Um probably co-op. Okay. But I haven't been there in so long. It's just it's I don't even know if it even still exists anymore. Now I'd have to say probably Ragged Records.
SPEAKER_09Yeah. Where's that at?
SPEAKER_00Isn't that important?
SPEAKER_09Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00Uh is it right next to the raccoon motel?
SPEAKER_08Oh, okay. I think it is, yeah.
SPEAKER_00You know, right next to it or near there, but yeah, not too far away from there, yeah. Fine. Okay, really some cool vinyls there. I love knowing vinyls. All right, uh next one, whose favorite character?
SPEAKER_09I mean uh Mark. Same here, yeah. Yeah, he's gotta be my favorite. Um yeah, he was yeah, he was my favorite.
SPEAKER_00Same here. Alright, now time for the Manhattan scale.
SPEAKER_09Oh, I also like Lucas, I will say. I I really, really like Lucas.
SPEAKER_00The Manhattan scale, basically, on a scale of one to five, we judge uh basically where we rank this movie, how many Manhattans or drinks of choice this movie gets.
SPEAKER_09How what's the most five? Um, well, mine now that I'm a co-host, I'm gonna be a margarita.
SPEAKER_06Okay. All right, that's cool.
SPEAKER_09That's fun. And uh yeah, I definitely would give this. I mean, in the genre of where it is, like four.
SPEAKER_00Four?
SPEAKER_09Yeah, four marks.
SPEAKER_00I give it a 2.5.
SPEAKER_09Really?
SPEAKER_00I think that's a pretty good score.
SPEAKER_09I guess I'm probably you know what? I need to get more honest, and I need because everybody's gonna be like a four or five if it really is up to me. If you want to give it a four or five, give it a four or five. If I'm gonna be realistic in like the world of movies, probably a three, but for myself and my personal love, probably a four.
SPEAKER_00I think you know what, and that's that's your call, and I respect that. For me, it's a 2.5, and I think right there, smack dab in the middle. I mean, there's just there's some things in this movie that I didn't particularly uh didn't particularly care for. There's some things that didn't really make a whole lot of sense, but that that then again, that's movies for you.
SPEAKER_09So yeah, as a girl, and the from the aesthetic uh aspect of this movie and the nostalgia of the 90s amazing wardrobe that they had. I mean, I wanted to look like Liv Tyler. I mean, with the mohair sweater and the pleated, you know, uh plaid skirt. Yep. Just loved it as another like clueless, you know, esque yeah.
SPEAKER_00Agreed. That sort of look, not so much for me, but you could have pulled it off.
SPEAKER_07Once upon a time.
SPEAKER_00All right. Well Megan, unless you have anything right now, we have come to Mick Heads, we've come to what is always my least favorite part of this podcast.
SPEAKER_05The part where we Oh, Rexy, you're so sexy.
SPEAKER_00What the fuck?
SPEAKER_01I wanted to.
SPEAKER_00I am doing hardly the time on the place, but there, sexy Rexy. You don't go interrupting the cinematic Nick, and you certainly do not go interrupting Megan. What's wrong with you? You'll get your time to do your thing. Just let us wrap this up first. That's all I'm saying.
SPEAKER_05Rexy Rexy.
SPEAKER_00Oh, they're good. Freaking these pop stars, and they can do whatever they want. With their dick out in the back room at Empire Records, that's not right. If I can continue, since I was so rudely interrupted by Rex Manning. Anyway, as I was saying, we gotta wrap this up and close production for the time being. As always, I want to thank you all so much for listening. You can listen to the Cinematic Make podcast on Spotify, iHeartRadio, and Apple Podcasts. If you'd like to submit anything, feel free to email us at the cinematicmick at gmail.com or message us on Facebook. So I have here to let you have the mic for a little bit. So Megan, first episode in the books. How do you feel?
SPEAKER_09I feel good. I feel good. I feel really good.
SPEAKER_00I do too. I do too. I'm very excited. I think this is gonna be a good business relationship.
SPEAKER_09I I'm excited too. Also, it just gives me more reasons to watch more movies. It's for work.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, exactly. Yeah, this is research here. Okay, this is serious stuff.
SPEAKER_09I do want to put, oh man, we need to like come up with a suggestion box of how we need to like pick or like a wheel of something. We can do one each month. We'll talk more about some ideas of how to come up with some movies. But spring breakers. Maybe the next spring break. You gotta we gotta throw some weird movies in the mix. Yeah, we do.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, maybe a couple David Lynch movies.
SPEAKER_09Have you seen Spring Breakers?
SPEAKER_00I have not.
SPEAKER_09James Franco? I have, yeah. He's got dreads, man. Yeah, dreads. He's got cornrows.
SPEAKER_00And doesn't he have like uh like gold teeth?
SPEAKER_09Gold teeth. I have a bike.
unknownOh.
SPEAKER_00It just keeps on getting better and better. All right. Well, you have anything you want to add? Anything you want to say? Then they're they're your Mick heads now, too.
SPEAKER_08So no, uh no. I'm just excited. Excited to be here.
SPEAKER_00So am I. Well, until then, always remember to count it twice. Don't rely solely on being an artist as a career, and don't ever trust Guar, especially if they compliment your guitar playing. It's gonna only dem uh only end in your demise. Well, until then, Megan, thank you so much. And uh good night, everybody.