Crash

Honestly, would getting patted down by Matt Dillon be such a terrible ordeal? Hopefully, we'll get our answer in this episode. Enjoy!!!!!

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:04

And the Oscar goes to crash.

SPEAKER_04 0:39

All right. Welcome back to another episode of the Cinematic Mick Podcast. I am your host, Mick, and with me tonight is my wonderful co-host, Megan Abel. Got some pretty big news not too long ago as Megan and I received our first bits of fan mail. We received two requests. One for Reservoir Dogs. That was a local one. And you better believe that episode is coming. And the other was an email from a listener out in Idaho who discovered the show. Wow, yeah, listen to me now. Googling miscongeniality. Listener enjoyed the episode, noted that we mentioned the movie Crash, that they enjoyed it and requested it. So that's what we're doing here tonight. Now, I don't have confirmation as to whether or not that this is on me. I should have asked. I don't have confirmation as to whether or not this listener is comfortable with us saying their name. So out of respect for them, gonna be leaving their name out. So I got in my notes here to chat it up with my co-host Megan. Megan, what's going on?

SPEAKER_08 1:35

Hello, Mick.

SPEAKER_04 1:36

I think it's time for a random toast to misogyny.

SPEAKER_08 1:39

Mm-hmm. You will never get one out of me. No?

SPEAKER_04 1:43

Never get one out of me. All right, toast to toxic masculinity.

SPEAKER_08 1:47

Sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:48

Now say, Megan, this is your idea. And now you're gonna back out of it. No, no misogyny. And just the right amount of toxic masculinity toxic masculinity. Not too much. And beer. We got beer. So we're all set. So what's going on, Megan?

SPEAKER_08 2:08

Man, not much, not much. Trying to get over a little bit of a summer spring cold, whatever you call this.

SPEAKER_04 2:15

Oh, don't bring that shit in here.

SPEAKER_08 2:17

The crap's in the air, cold.

SPEAKER_04 2:19

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:19

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 2:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:21

So you'll hear a lot of clearing of my throat this year.

SPEAKER_04 2:24

That's all right. Just you know, back off the mic and you can't. You know, don't be coughing phlegm and shit all over these very fine microphones I got here. I bought out of my own pocket.

SPEAKER_08 2:34

No, I'll respect, I'll respect the stuff.

SPEAKER_04 2:36

Yes, respect the studio. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_08 2:39

No, man, just uh hanging out. My husband's been gone, so now I'm just, you know, now that he's back in town, I'm, you know, just angry. It's like, how dare you leave me?

SPEAKER_04 2:52

I see. Well, we're kind of in the same boat because my wife, Megan, was supposed to be on tonight, but she had a work obligation, so she could not be here. I thought about asking her if she wanted to call in because I'd never had anyone call in before. And that would actually have been kind of cool, but I just I don't think she was ready.

SPEAKER_08 3:10

So No, my husband was gone for selfish reasons, fishing in Pennsylvania on a weekend that I told him wasn't good for me.

SPEAKER_04 3:18

Just kind of went went and did it anyway, huh?

SPEAKER_08 3:21

Yep. So now that he's back, I'm like, ugh, you know, just your presence. I'm happy he's home. I gotta start doing more of that.

SPEAKER_04 3:30

I feel like I'm not selfish enough. I feel like I gotta like maybe do more and then maybe overdo it.

SPEAKER_08 3:37

Uh yeah, I mean, I need him to be a little less selfish and probably mean be a little bit more selfish, but I also just like love hanging out with my kid.

SPEAKER_03 3:45

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_08 3:46

And it's really like if I'm gonna go away somewhere with someone that isn't my husband, that like probably would most likely be my sister, and you know, she's got two kids, so like for her to clear her schedule and a very demanding job. So it'd be a little tough. Yeah, so I also have to like wait on her.

SPEAKER_04 4:04

What does she do? Uh what does she do for a living? Or are you not at liberty to say?

SPEAKER_08 4:07

Uh is she uh is it Capital One she works for now?

SPEAKER_04 4:10

Oh, all right.

SPEAKER_08 4:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:11

That's all you need to say.

SPEAKER_08 4:12

Yeah, she does lots of cool stuff for them.

SPEAKER_04 4:14

Well, we tried to have her call in and be on here for the uh Death Becomes Her episode, but you said she like I'm a little bit of a private person.

SPEAKER_08 4:23

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:24

And I and I totally respect that.

SPEAKER_08 4:26

I get that. She's a little apprehensive. So that's fine. I don't know. Maybe if I get really good at this, like it really good at what? Just the the whole podcast, you know, like it's still new and I'm still like working out my kinks of You're good at this. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_01 4:40

What do you think I asked you to be at this point?

SPEAKER_08 4:42

But I think like more professional, I guess I would say the word professional, not better, but like more professional so that I could like handle her calling it. Okay, okay, hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_04 4:51

I I I want it known, I want it noted right now. We're recording right now, okay? And you you're saying that you're trying to be more professional. So you're actually saying that you're trying to get up to my level. Oh, I mean it's but you gotta set yourself, you gotta set your sights a little higher.

SPEAKER_08 5:08

No, we're going super past that, but like I'm taking you with me too.

SPEAKER_04 5:13

See, I I never wanted this thing, I never wanted the show. Um, I never wanted to go into it with a what I call a podcast voice, you know? And it it's fine for other people out there to do it. It's just fine. I I love it all the same. It's just not for me. I always say it's one of those things where I've had past guests on here before, and I look at them and I'm like, look, don't don't be nervous, don't make too big of a deal out of it. We're not talking, we're just talking.

SPEAKER_08 5:44

Oh, yes, and that's what I do love about this, and not necessarily saying that we're like, like I need to get more, but it's more from the little sister. Like, I need I it's it's the same reason I deep clean my house before she comes. It's just what needs to be. Judgmental. It's the little s no, she's not, but like I I just you know, just want it to all be perfect for her.

SPEAKER_04 6:09

Hey, I love that.

SPEAKER_08 6:10

Roll out the red carpet for her.

SPEAKER_04 6:12

Ooh, red carpet.

SPEAKER_08 6:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:13

I mean I I've never gotten red carpet treatment. You know what? I don't want it.

SPEAKER_08 6:17

What what I'll I'll never I'll never be like what she is capable of doing and what she does, like for me and like my son and my family when we come to visit her. Like, I'm not as good. I always forget to feed her, like when she comes, because I never eat lunch, and so I always forget to feed her. I'm like, oh, you're hungry? Why don't you say something?

SPEAKER_04 6:42

She's a she's also a grown woman though, too.

SPEAKER_08 6:44

Yeah, but but I'm like, I'll okay, yeah. We're in the middle of Sam's and she's like, We've been here for a while and I'm starving.

SPEAKER_04 6:54

Sam's do, even though we have a list.

SPEAKER_08 6:57

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:57

I never could understand that.

SPEAKER_08 6:59

Um it's finding things. I try to go super fast. I am pretty pretty fast at the grocery store. Um, I also love Sam's too because you don't have to interact with anyone. You can do it all on your phone, just check yourself out, do everything you need. It's great. So I can do it pretty fast, but sometimes it's overwhelming, especially on weekends, which is not normally when I go, but yeah, it's not the it's not the time to go to Sam's, not the time to go to Costco or anything like that.

SPEAKER_04 7:27

No, I sometimes embarrass Megan in public because no, just just a little bit, no or extreme amounts. It's just I don't know. I sometimes I'll just joke around a little bit and she really doesn't like it. She tolerates it most of the time, but for the she doesn't know it's a no-go. She'll be like, God, shut up. Or do you always have to be on all the time? I'm like, I don't know. They broke the mold when they made me.

SPEAKER_03 7:56

They made me very special, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 7:59

So it's like I'm not good at anything else, I am good at this. So anyway, you got anything else you want to add, or uh no, I'm I'm ready.

SPEAKER_08 8:09

Okay, you know, like we're gonna go right into seriousness with this movie because it's a pretty uh intense film.

SPEAKER_04 8:16

It is, it is definitely pretty intense. Hold on, there's real one real quick important thing I gotta take care of here before we dive into this. There we go. That's all taken care of now. So, with all that being said, Megan is back here tonight. We're drinking, we're talking about crash, we're having a good time. So, with all that being said, all that out there in the open, let's get to the trailer that is often referred to as one of the for the film that is often referred to as one of the worst choices for best picture.

SPEAKER_00 8:55

It's the sense of touch. Any real city you walk, you know, you brush past people, people bump into you. In LA, nobody touches. We're always behind this metal and glass.

SPEAKER_06 9:12

I could go thinking about that bullet that came through your window.

SPEAKER_01 9:20

I am angry all the time, and I don't know why.

SPEAKER_07 9:30

Yeah, you have to be guns and eyes.

SPEAKER_00 9:34

Your brother's fine. What did you want me to do? It is both shot.

SPEAKER_01 10:05

I just had a gun point it in my face. And this was my fault because I knew it was gonna happen. You have no idea. You had a conversation with God. What did God say?

SPEAKER_00 10:37

I'm trying to help you. I didn't ask for your help, did I? I think we missed it so much. That we crashed into each other just so we can feel something.

SPEAKER_01 11:04

People, man.

SPEAKER_04 11:14

All right, Crash was released May 6, 2005. It was written by Paul Haggis and Bobby Morasco and directed by Paul Haggis. Matt Dillon was nominated for an Oscar for Best Supporting Actor, and this film took home three Oscars. One for Best Original Screenplay, Best Achievement in Editing, and Best Picture. It stars Don Cheadle, Sandra Bullock, Brendan Fraser, Lorenz Tate, Jennifer Esposito, Matt Dillon, Ryan Philippe, Christopher Ludacrous Bridges, Terrence Howard, Thandy Newton, and Michael Pena. Man, that is quite a list of actors.

SPEAKER_08 11:56

Oh yeah. Great cast. Great cast.

SPEAKER_04 12:00

Well, pretty good cast. I love me some time, Cheadle. I feel like I just kind of get that out there.

SPEAKER_08 12:05

Yeah, I love I love that Brendan. Oh, I forgot that Brendan Fraser was in this movie and just his gorgeousness too. I'm happy to see him on the big screen, even though he like what his comeback was whale.

SPEAKER_04 12:17

Did you ever see that? Yes. What'd you think?

SPEAKER_08 12:20

Um, I like I get what they were doing and I get the story and I can appreciate it, but it wasn't necessarily my cup of tea.

SPEAKER_04 12:29

Yeah, that movie made me want to order pizza. Like what he's sitting there and he's just Oh my god, I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 12:33

It made me want to go on a fucking diet.

SPEAKER_04 12:36

Just the opposite. It made me want to eat even more. All right. In post-9-11 Los Angeles, Crash highlights the intertwined lives of several people over the course of 36 hours. The film begins with a monologue being delivered by LAPD detective Graham Waters, played by Don Cheadle. That was the uh monologue that you heard in the trailer there. To his partner Rhea, played by Jennifer Esposito, just after they've been rear-ended by an Asian woman. Rhea enters an argument in or excuse me, Rhea enters into an argument with the other driver while being mediated mediated by a uniformed cop, with racial stereotypes being exchanged pretty much from the beginning. Graham also exits the vehicle to investigate the nearby crime scene where the body of a young man has been discovered. From here, the movie goes to the day before where the rest of this story unfolds.

SPEAKER_08 13:32

Uh, this the intro of like the needing to crash into each other, and then like it's so poetic, it's so deep, and you think it's gonna be like this sentimental kind of intro to this movie, and it's like boom, racial slur, stereotypes through of this accident happening between an Asian woman and a Spanish cop.

SPEAKER_04 13:55

That poor cop, that that poor uniform cop just standing there and like the whole time is like, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am.

SPEAKER_08 14:02

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_04 14:02

Like, I just think it's ironic I got reared by an Asian driver or something like that. It's like, whoa. I know we're not supposed to laugh at them. I I know we shouldn't. We really shouldn't.

SPEAKER_08 14:13

I I mean, but you you have to be able to laugh at it sometimes, just of like the the um the the overall like common belief, like everybody knows these stereotypes, everybody knows them. We've also seen comedians like completely, you know, obliterate, I think obliterate them in, you know, in their comedy and and making fun of stuff and the self-deprecation when they are of a certain race, and um, yeah, it so it's just very interesting because we're all like huh, because we all know and hear about it because this is a movie about this. Yes. Showing that it's not just black and white and white and black. Oh yeah, it is Asian, it is it is yellow, it is red, it is black, it is white, it is every color, it's blue, purple, everything.

SPEAKER_04 15:05

So it's some pretty ugly shit. Racism in any kind of form. Gotta admit it's some pretty ugly shit. It really is.

SPEAKER_08 15:12

Yeah, but I I really enjoyed how it was directed. I like that every character was linked in some aspect to another storyline and character, and I also like that with every character you almost had a disdain as well as compassion for them.

SPEAKER_04 15:24

Yeah.

unknown 15:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:25

Yeah. There's something that you like and dislike about pretty much every character in this movie.

SPEAKER_03 15:29

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 15:30

I'd say the one that probably comes close to the being the best out of all of them is probably Don Teatle's character. But even he, even he has his little moment where he makes his little racial stereotype remark.

SPEAKER_08 15:44

Oh, definitely. Definitely.

SPEAKER_04 15:46

All those cultures with the cars parked on their lawns it's like, come on, man, you're better than that. What are you doing? Of course, then again, you just got said, you know, just got done saying a little bit prior to go uh to your own mother that you were having sex with a white woman. So I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 16:00

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:01

How does that not kill, you know, any and all boners in the room?

SPEAKER_07 16:04

Yeah. Well, it definitely did for her.

SPEAKER_04 16:07

Yeah, not for him though. He was still ready to go. I'm like, dude. It's like, if I were wearing a hat, I would tip it to you, my good man. That's that's that's a little weird. Usually a phone call from mom just kind of you'd think it'd kill the mood, but okay.

SPEAKER_05 16:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:23

Alright, so uh this movie revolves around uh not many, but quite a few different characters, several different characters. You have the LADA Rick Cabot, played by Brendan Fraser, and his wife Jean, played by Sandra Bullock. Smaller parts for him in this movie. Uh, a couple, a married couple where he uses the race angle for political gain. And she finds her racism justified after they're carjacked by two younger black men, Anthony and Peter, played by Ludacris and Lorenz Tate. I just want to say right now, I freaking love Lorenz Tate. Have you ever seen him in anything else? Have you seen Menace of Society?

SPEAKER_07 17:02

Uh yeah, years, years ago. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:05

He is fantastic. You know he's only like 50? Yeah. No shit. Like I'm trying to I'm trying to do the math in my head and try to figure out how old he was when he did that movie. I think that movie came out in like 93. It's like, Jesus, you're like, you're only 50 years old. How the hell old dude? How old are you?

SPEAKER_08 17:24

Yeah, I I uh I love I love this part. Um I I do love this part about like when she's walking with her husband to the car, and uh here you have two black men having a very intelligent conversation about her assuming she is unsafe in their presence due to their color. And then boom, she they prove her right in her fear. Like she's you know, they're discussing and having these comments about this fear that she has and how it's like unjustified. Yeah, and then they justify it.

SPEAKER_04 18:03

It's like, well, probably because we got guns. You could be right, they get freaking carjacked. Um, then you have television producer Cameron, played by Terrence Howard. Love me some Terrence Howard, and his wife Christine, played by Thandy Newton. She's she's alright. I don't I don't dislike her work. I this is really only one of the few things I've ever seen her in, though. So and I didn't even know she was English.

SPEAKER_08 18:32

Oh, I've I've I I can't off the top of my head like think of what other movies I've seen her in, but I've seen her grace my screen so many times, and I've been a fan, and I think she's beautiful, and you know.

SPEAKER_04 18:43

Well, me too. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 18:46

I also love love Terrence Howard.

SPEAKER_04 18:49

Yes, is very good. I think it's ironic that him and Don Cheadle are in the are in the same movie. A few years after this, Terence Howard would play in Iron Man, but Don Cheadle took his part in Iron Man 2. So there's all that. Anyway, their marriage begins to suffer greatly after they're pulled over by racist LAPD officer um officer Ryan played by Matt Dillon and his, I'm assuming, rookie partner, Officer Hansen, played by Ryan Philippe. While having both of them out of the car, Cameron is forced to stand there and watch while his wife is being basically felt up while being searched and ultimately sexually assaulted. Which that is what happens.

SPEAKER_03 19:35

I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:37

And I'm I always assumed that it was kind of proper police procedure that if you're gonna search a woman that intently, you have to get a female officer.

SPEAKER_08 19:46

Oh, yeah, yeah, there's rules in place. I don't know what it necessarily was for what 2005 when this movie came out, because you know, it seems like well, that's only 20 years ago, but a lot has changed within rights and you know, bringing those things and those situations too light. But I mean, when you're out in there, don't you I don't know, you have to pat someone down, but you have to have someone else present. I mean, that's also why they have the body cams now so that they don't necessarily have to have Well, I'm assuming they probably had them back then too. Body cams, I'm not a hundred percent sure. Like if they went into effect as much as they did, like do, like as soon as you put on your sirens, as soon as you like do something, it goes on automatically.

SPEAKER_04 20:29

I I think that I think you're right.

SPEAKER_08 20:31

Yeah, because like they didn't want people to be in control of them.

SPEAKER_04 20:35

Well, for good reason.

SPEAKER_08 20:36

Yeah, you know, because we had to have those lawsuits that come out and everything, but yeah, this part uh with the cops sexually assaulting this woman during a traffic stop. I mean but also so scary. I cried. I cried for her because like no-brainer, and then I cried for the husband because I mean that just is awful. And I couldn't even fathom because of like my skin color, I could be treated that way, which is weird to say, but because I can fathom getting treated this way because of my gender, which is different-ish. Oh yeah. Um, but yeah, to have to like watch that because you're in a certain position and you can't do anything.

SPEAKER_04 21:17

Exactly. Yeah, what what can you do?

SPEAKER_08 21:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:19

What do you lunge at the cop? Not a great idea.

SPEAKER_08 21:22

So yeah, then I cried about that, and then um I also cried about like all the situations where I was made to feel this way, like, however, not by someone like a cop or you know, in that position, those positions that you were taught throughout your whole entire life to trust and you know, listen to what they said, like medical professionals, officers, firemen, you know, those people of those like um what is it just helpful positions? I don't know what the right term would be, but yeah, I mean um Yeah, um I think that's why I I say I like this film because it it is supposed to provoke emotion like that. And so yeah, I cried a lot throughout this film.

SPEAKER_04 22:11

A damn fine job I did of that too.

SPEAKER_08 22:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:14

February ninety nine, I'm a senior in high school. My girlfriend and I at the time went to go see Motley Crew at the River Center, right? And the cop, the extent of him like patting her down and searching her was he just patted her like in the middle of her back, like a light little tap. And she was free to go. She could have walked in with a couple desert eagles. She could have walked in with a couple of glocks or something like that. And then he he just goes to town on me, finds my pack of smokes, and he's like, How old are you, man? Um got stupid ass shaggy hair and no facial hair. And I'm all like, uh 17, sir. Like, why don't we throw out why don't we throw out the smokes? And I was like, God damn it. I was like, all right, fine. I was like, 'cause I didn't want to risk getting kicked out. I wanted to see the crew.

SPEAKER_01 23:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:05

So yeah, the whole thing of rubbing all down around her ass and putting his fingers in well.

SPEAKER_08 23:12

Yeah, I mean, there's a certain breed of a person that does that. Yeah. But and not to say that it doesn't happen because it very much does happen in certain areas. And maybe in large cities like that, maybe in the quiet towns like this, you know, but who knows?

SPEAKER_04 23:26

Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to know.

SPEAKER_08 23:28

Uh yeah, I don't I mean, if it happened, I want you to tell. Like I would want to know. So you can tell me, and I'll tell someone for you.

SPEAKER_04 23:38

You'll be the first worst you'd be the first person I let know there, Megan.

SPEAKER_08 23:42

Like I, yeah, Mick might not want to know, but I want to know.

SPEAKER_04 23:45

If a cop pulls me over and totally cuffs my balls, I am calling you. I'm calling you first of me like Megan, it happened.

SPEAKER_08 23:50

Oh my gosh, and I will help you through anything.

SPEAKER_04 23:53

He tried to milk the prostate there, Megan. And it's like, nah, cool. It's like you you are not a doctor, sir.

SPEAKER_08 23:59

I think my my uh, as my husband calls, my duval would come out where I just get a little bit more authoritative.

SPEAKER_04 24:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 24:08

Yeah. A little bit more street, a little bit more Duval, as in Robert Duval or? No, as in I'm from Jacksonville, Florida, and it's Duval.

SPEAKER_04 24:18

I I don't know what that is.

SPEAKER_08 24:20

It's our chant. Oh.

SPEAKER_04 24:22

I didn't know uh Jacksonville had a chant.

SPEAKER_08 24:25

Yeah, just like Chicago has the Bears. Uh yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 24:31

Home of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Not a really whole lot to cheer for.

SPEAKER_08 24:35

We play you guys this season.

SPEAKER_04 24:38

Do we?

SPEAKER_08 24:39

I think so. I think my husband was going over it. Uh bears got to be a date to TBD, but yeah, I think we might be playing each other. I have to double check. Don't quote me on that. Okay. All right. But if we do, I mean, you can listen to the game and hear our chant.

SPEAKER_04 24:56

Well, it depends on where it's at. If it's in the soldier, you're not going to hear much of that. So that whole angle ends up taking an i an ironic turn after Christine is nearly killed in a car accident and Officer Ryan is the one that ends up saving her life. This is, of course, after Officer Hansen no longer wants to share the car, no longer wants to partner up with Ryan for obvious reasons.

SPEAKER_08 25:20

Yeah, when she is faced uh with the same cop that made her feel so inferior to be forced to trust him in that situation, and even on his face, like he he understands why that was a big moment. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I felt like that was like the whole idea of kind of this full circle moment happening in this very devastating circumstance and life-threatening circumstance. I felt like that was best picture worthy.

SPEAKER_04 25:55

Really? Well, all right, you go ahead. But we'll get to all that later.

SPEAKER_08 26:00

I'd have to look at like who it is, but I mean, yeah, that we'll we'll talk about it a little bit. Yeah, we'll get to all that.

SPEAKER_04 26:07

Trust me, we'll get to all that later. All right. We also have Daniel played by Michael Pena. Love me so Michael Pena. Have you ever watched um Narcos on Netflix?

SPEAKER_08 26:17

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 26:18

Yeah? He was great in that, wasn't he? Loved him in that.

SPEAKER_08 26:20

Yes. I love him in almost everything he's been in.

SPEAKER_04 26:23

Yeah, he is really that I've seen very underrated, if you ask me.

SPEAKER_08 26:27

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 26:27

Uh Daniel, played by Michael Pena, a locksmith who just regular working stiff, just a man trying to do right by his family, consisting of his wife and young daughter. He crosses paths with Rick and Gene as he is the one changing their locks after their carjacking. And has to overhear Jean complain to Rick on how she's convinced that he will probably sell one of their keys to one of their one of his quote unquote gangbanger buddies. He also crosses path um excuse me, crosses paths with a Persian store owner who speaks English as a second language. Daniel replaces the lock on the store's faulty back door and attempts to tell the owner that the door must be replaced. The owner thinks that Daniel's trying to cheat him, and Daniel leaves after their miscommunication leads to a brief argument. The next day, the store owner sees that his shop has been broken into and greatly vandalized. Later finds out that since he was informed about the faulty door and did not fix it, that his insurance will not cover the damages. The store owner tracks down Daniel at his home while armed with the gun that he bought at the beginning of the movie. That's a whole nother scene right there that Megan will let you take point on that one. The man fires at Daniel just as his daughter runs out to him. But the little girl and Daniel are left unharmed. This leads him to believe that the little girl was his angel sent to protect him. He then decides to get rid of the gun along with all of his anger.

SPEAKER_08 28:05

Yeah, uh this Persian family. Uh well, first off, let's start with Daniel Painette, because I love him, I love his character. I feel like he is, other than the daughter of um, you know, the the Persian man, um I feel like he is the only character that really doesn't make any stereotypes. He is literally just trying to get his family out of the ghetto and working hard, and he is typecasted um in these positions, and even like at the last one when he's telling the guy, you know, like you need a new door. It's not your lock. I replace the lock, but you need a new door. And then, like, fine man, don't even pay for it, but you still need a new door, you know, and and that. So I love him, but I also just felt so bad for this Persian family going through what they had to do in the wake of 9-11, and just how that had to have been. Oh, yeah. Can't even imagine, like, your your daughter is a freaking doctor, and you work so hard in this gas station, like paid for your daughter to be a doctor, and then you're just like in this whole um under this umbrella from 9-11 of people who look like that, sound like that, you know, everything, and you have to live your life like that. But then I'm not shaking my head at the end. Oh no, I smell like I smell your dog is thrown out.

SPEAKER_04 29:30

Freaking dog. Smell your dog. Every time we do an episode, I'm serious. Yeah, I swear every single episode dusted. No, no, he didn't crop dust us, he hotboxed us. Crop dust if like we were Who's the little fucker?

SPEAKER_08 29:43

He's underneath the table. Underneath the table, freaking. I thought my dog was bad. Maybe your dog is eating poop. Because this is what my dog is.

SPEAKER_04 29:51

Yeah, because he's actually been being a little bit of a prick lately. He's been getting the garbage out there by the washing machine.

SPEAKER_08 29:57

Smell of a poop eater.

SPEAKER_04 29:59

No, it's not, it's not that. He has had some funky ass.

SPEAKER_08 30:03

Megan, your wife, once told me that she appreciated the pungent smell of her dog's fart.

SPEAKER_01 30:10

She tells everyone that. I keep on trying to tell her to stop. I'm like, Megan, you gotta stop telling people that shit.

SPEAKER_08 30:16

Like, I understand like loving the smell of gasoline and like weird things like that. Like, I used to love how my dog's breasts smelt, but now she's like old and it's gross. And it's really, really bad. But like, I also like said that once in my life, and I remember saying it and I would never say it again. And she just know every time I'm in your house and this dog parts. This fucking dog is killing me. Megan, how? How how could you love that?

SPEAKER_04 30:39

She she loves this dog so much. I if it ever comes down to her, she has to choose between me or the dog, I'm screwed.

SPEAKER_08 30:46

Yeah, here we are.

SPEAKER_04 30:47

No more, no more cinematic Mick podcast.

SPEAKER_08 30:49

Here are we uh talking about racism and this movie and dog flesh the week of 9-11.

SPEAKER_04 30:55

All of a sudden, and the dog just doesn't care. You're just all like, well, whatever. Well, SPD. Oh, he's awful.

SPEAKER_08 31:04

Oh, do uh do serious conversations give make you uneasy and give you gas.

SPEAKER_04 31:10

What and what doesn't? I mean, you know, the we were talking about the Bears earlier in the Jaguars, and you know, the Bears can score a field goal, and that might, you know, get some excitement gas out of him or something like that. He's just oh god, he's awful.

SPEAKER_08 31:24

But uh yeah, as I was saying before uh he rudely interrupted the smell of his ass. Yeah. Um like I was saying, that my sympathy that goes out for any family that looked, you know, like this Persian family that had to be in the wake of 9-11. Um, but also just like you've started to feel so sorry for them and your heart was breaking for them, and then Daniel comes in and he breaks the news of like, dude, you need a new door, and he is just typecast it and got racial stuff coming at him.

SPEAKER_01 32:02

Who tried to cheat me?

SPEAKER_08 32:03

Yeah, it's uh the big turnaround. You're like, oh, and that's what I say is like you have compassion and disdain for most of these characters in this movie.

SPEAKER_04 32:11

It's I I think Michael Penny was well, he he was great in this entire movie. Um the scene with him and his daughter where she's like hiding under the bed and everything, and they're having that moment might be one of the best scenes in the entire film.

SPEAKER_08 32:26

Yeah, I love it. The best picture.

SPEAKER_04 32:28

Yeah, it's just a really just kidding.

SPEAKER_08 32:31

Now I want to look at it. But I love it and I appreciate it. I cried, of course.

SPEAKER_04 32:34

Now you're pushing me. Now you're trying, now you're trying my patience, Megan. But anyway, um, it's it's a really sweet scene. He he's fantastic in this movie. He's fantastic in that scene because I'm gonna tell you something right now. I I don't think I'd be able to hold my cool um that long. Not at all. I mean, he's just like, sir, I appreciate if you stop calling me names. And the guy's all like, he's like, you fix lugs. I replaced the fucking luck. You gotta get a new fucking door. I mean, I would have that would have happened for me like five minutes ago. I'd have been like, all right, look, it's late. I'm fucking exhausted. I ain't got time for this shit, all right.

SPEAKER_08 33:10

Uh yeah, but you can tell like his his uh his bigger picture is his family, so yeah, he's gonna tolerate the crap that he's getting from all of the customers and the houses and places he's gotta go because the bigger picture is his daughter is sleeping under her bed because she's scared bullets are gonna come through her room.

SPEAKER_04 33:28

So live in a shit neighborhood.

SPEAKER_08 33:29

Yeah, yeah. I love his character. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:32

And I will say, um what's it the part where he's changing the locks at the Cabot's house? Also, I don't think I would have been able to hold my cool at that moment either. It's like, look, you got carjacked, okay? It was already dark outside in LA. So you gotta figure it's probably what what 9 30, 10 o'clock at night when they got carjacked? And then they called that night to get the locks uh changed. Did he get out there right away? Maybe, maybe not. I mean, come on, it's LA. It's like the second largest country or country, second largest city in this great country of ours. I mean, it's like, look, it's fucking late, and I'm changing your locks, and I gotta listen to this.

SPEAKER_08 34:17

Like you're not even quiet about it either.

SPEAKER_04 34:19

No, I understand you're upset. I get that.

SPEAKER_08 34:22

You're literally this is one of those moments like she does not see anything but herself. Uh you know, she does that a lot throughout this movie. Um, but she doesn't see anybody but herself and just her what she wants, and she wants it now. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:38

And where the hell is Brendan Fraser in that scene? I mean, I know it's a it's a movie, it's words on a page and it's acted out, but it's like he's standing right there and it's like in in real life he'd have been like, Will you shut the fuck up? Yeah, like poor Basha can fucking hear you.

SPEAKER_08 34:53

Uh you can tell that they have a marriage that is more like he's obviously busy, and um, in order for his wife not to leave him, he has to just constantly give her what she wants. The because she's like, I want, I want, I need, I need, I need. And you can tell that kind of from their marriage that that is the type of marriage, like he is just, I don't really care what you're saying, I just want you to stop talking and whatever. Good point, you know, like I and I think that's the attitude he has because she is just a a white woman complainer. Yeah, maybe, maybe the Karen, the Karen of 2005.

SPEAKER_04 35:35

That wasn't even a thing back then. Yeah, she would she would fit the bill. All right. Um, then we got Officer Hansen, who no longer wants to partner up with Ryan due to Ryan's racism. He crosses paths with Cameron again after a short high-speed chase, after a botched carjacking by Anthony and Peter. Anthony ends up in Cameron's car at the start of the chase. Peter takes off on foot. Hansen is able to convince the other officers that have their guns drawn on Cameron to let him go with a warning after a high-speed chase. Okay. I don't really see that happening, but whatever. This move makes him even more of a pariah with his fellow officers, and on his way home, he picks up a hitchhiking Peter. Peter notices a St. Christopher statue on Hansen's dashboard and finds this coincidence humorous. Convinced that he is being mocked, Hansen tries to kick Peter out of his car, but then fatally shoots him when he's going for the same statue that he carries with him every time he steals the car. This is a this is the result of Hansen being convinced that Peter was going for a gun. Hansen then leaves Peter's body on the side of the road and later torches his car to destroy any evidence of the crime taking place. In a twist, Peter's body is the body that's being investigated at the beginning of the movie and is the younger brother of Detective Graham Waters.

SPEAKER_08 37:01

Yeah, so there's a lot to unpack in that. Yeah. There's a lot to unpack in that.

SPEAKER_04 37:06

And that's pretty much what I got. Uh I'm no, I realize I left out a lot when that's still why we're doing this.

SPEAKER_08 37:12

Yeah, there's still so much of like different characters and different aspects of this film that tie into everything. But um, gosh, where did where did we start with um the rookie cop and having to claim um what is it, uncontrollable flatulence? Yeah, to get out of being.

SPEAKER_04 37:31

Maybe the dog was helping us out here. Maybe like, hey, don't don't forget.

SPEAKER_08 37:34

Yeah, don't forget about this part.

SPEAKER_04 37:35

That was a very some strange sounds coming from the radio there.

SPEAKER_08 37:40

Maybe when he was writing his complaint and like what his thing was, his dog was being a perfect example for him.

SPEAKER_04 37:46

Why would he rat himself out? You would think if anyone ryan's like, dude, I can't I can't be in the car with this guy anymore. It's cold outside, and I gotta keep the window constantly down because of this guy's ass. Like it's foul, dude.

SPEAKER_08 37:57

Yeah, but you know, I think that's kind of when somebody is gonna do that on the force and claim that as a reason to get out of it. I think it's kind of like we all know that you don't like your partner. Yeah, it wasn't because you have gas, but we're gonna make fun of you and make farting noises every chance we get because we know you ratted on someone to get out of a situation.

SPEAKER_04 38:20

Right. Yeah, I got a good feeling that you're not gonna last too long on the LAPD if you're an idiot. So yeah, they're not they're not stupid. They know.

SPEAKER_08 38:27

No, I don't know. I think you could probably last a lot longer than you anticipate.

SPEAKER_04 38:30

But you think so?

SPEAKER_08 38:31

Who knows? I think on any force you can last a lot longer than you anticipate.

SPEAKER_04 38:35

Uh maybe.

SPEAKER_08 38:36

Uh they just gotta weed them out, you know? Facts weed them out.

SPEAKER_04 38:40

Um and be corrupt. That's very important.

SPEAKER_08 38:42

Yeah, and then you have what is it, uh, ludicrous, Anthony, who um who I I will never rob my own race. I will never steal from my own race. And then he comes across this car and the uh shock that is in his face that a black man is driving this nice ass vehicle. And I love how um uh what is it, Cameron? Is his tolerance for what his day and evening was prior has been just nope, you fucked with the wrong one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:15

Oh, I love that part. I love the look on his face.

SPEAKER_08 39:17

He's just so like and you may think I'm a rich black guy driving this and I'm stuck up and maybe a sellout because I'm rich. Uh, but I'm about to show you that I don't fucking care.

SPEAKER_04 39:29

He beats his ass too. Oh, yeah, he does.

SPEAKER_08 39:31

He beats his ass good. Um, and I love that, you know, he he didn't make it. It wasn't about like, I got the guy in here right now, you know, and he didn't do any of that. It was really just like a very big internal battle for him and almost kind of like I felt like it was him standing his ground when he didn't before. So he's creating almost another opportunity where he is like standing his ground. He's been in put in another position where he has to stand up for himself, and he just had that um whole scene with Tony Danza, you know, like the director scene.

SPEAKER_04 40:09

We'll get to that later too.

SPEAKER_08 40:11

And uh just kind of another showing that even though you're uh in charge, you have to still be compliant to the white guy, I think is kind of where they were going with that. But um, yeah, he he just was like, that was this is my time to take my stand, and no one's gonna fuck with me, and I'm gonna stand up to the police, and that's his moment. He created himself, he gave himself a moment, as they would say in 2026.

SPEAKER_04 40:36

I think I have never heard anyone say that. Now I hope I never do. Well unless it's you, my friend. Unless it's you. You get a pass. You know, I I hate to say it, but I think if they wanted to go for a more realistic scene, then Cameron would have gotten shot and killed right there. And then they would have found the gun on him because he he was armed. He just had it tucked, you know, tucked behind in the waistline of his pants. Um if they wanted to go more the more realistic route, um, he would have they would have opened fire as soon as he started advancing on him.

SPEAKER_05 41:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:16

But it didn't turn out that way.

SPEAKER_05 41:18

No.

SPEAKER_04 41:19

And then you have It's like I I like and dislike that scene. The whole thing like, he's my friend, is like that dude is not your friend. Okay, he's not your friend. You met him one time, you stood there and you watched your partner at the time, you know, finger bang his wife against the bigger.

SPEAKER_08 41:36

I mean, yeah, he's gonna save this guy because he just watched that happen and he knows what shit that was, and that he too was silent in a moment of that where you could have had a choice to do the right thing, no matter the backlash you would have gotten. I mean, that is what doing the right thing feels like. Sometimes it feels like a punch in the face.

SPEAKER_03 41:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 41:58

Um, but you know, like everybody had a choice here, and they were all trying to overcorrect their choices.

SPEAKER_04 42:06

Yeah. That scene is weird because I like the beginning of it, not so much the middle part of it, but at the end, when he stops and gives Anthony his gun back and looks at him and says, You embarrass me.

SPEAKER_05 42:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:22

You embarrass yourself.

SPEAKER_05 42:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:24

And then it's just he doesn't even have to say get out of my car. I feel like I feel like it's just kind of implied there. The fuck out of my car now.

SPEAKER_05 42:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 42:33

Yeah. Yeah. I uh that was intense. And then um here you have uh Ryan uh Felipe, what is his name? Tom? Tom is his name.

SPEAKER_04 42:43

Um I just got him as Officer Hansen.

SPEAKER_08 42:46

Yeah, Officer Hansen. Um you have to do that. Oh, I don't know. I have to I have to look. Yeah. Oh, jo wait, no? Yeah, Tom Hansen. Officer Tom Hansen. Oh, rip off. Um Yeah, I knew I was right. I was like, I just wrote this down. Um but yeah, you have him uh picking up somebody, feeling like he's doing the right thing because he did good today. He also isn't going to like judge the black guy walking, you know, across like on the side of the road. He believes he's a cop and that he, you know, can take care of himself, and so he pulls this guy over and then he too becomes they call it racial profiling. Yeah. And I mean, but he too becomes part of the problem and then creates a fucking big problem. Yeah. A very sad, devastating problem. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:42

Which unfortunately he's able to solve.

SPEAKER_08 43:46

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 43:46

So that part's rough.

SPEAKER_08 43:49

Yeah, but full circle, you know? I also I like the conversation too with the country country country music and how uh him and Anthony had the country music um discussion earlier of it was like all about racism and then he was like, Well, no, this is actually from you know black people created country music and that kind of conversation. To then uh him also like saying like I wrote a country song earlier today.

SPEAKER_04 44:14

Yeah. I don't think we need to sing that one there, Megan. No. Yeah. No.

SPEAKER_08 44:18

We don't. No. But um I don't even remember the words, but no.

SPEAKER_04 44:22

How Anthony is telling him he's like, Do you even know where hip hop has come from? He's like, back in the 60s we had smart black men that were saying stuff and they were people were listening. It's like and then you got all these mumbling idiots talking about all this shit and Ludacris is a rapper. Mm-hmm. Yeah I I actually really enjoyed Ludacris in this movie. The Fast and the Furious movies uh well I've only seen two of them and I kind of wish I wasn't able to say that but I enjoy him in this.

SPEAKER_08 44:48

Yeah I thought this was a good role for him and I I liked seeing him in more like he was still funny and likable. Yeah um for for his character and and he still was like on the street I guess you would if you were a rapper playing in a movie.

SPEAKER_04 45:04

I love that scene where him and Lorenz Tate are in the car and he's sitting there talking he's trying to start it the fuck did you do to my car?

SPEAKER_07 45:10

That's how it ends. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 45:13

But that wasn't on your mind before but it is now all right you got anything more yeah I mean I we didn't really touch on um you know Matt Dylan got freaking well then let's yeah yeah let's uh talk about it. He got um what was it best uh yeah nominated for best supporting actor yeah nominated for best supporting actor we didn't even really talk about him and his character and so there's a part where his dad is ailing you know in health and he has like a urinary tract infection or something going on with his kidneys or something to that effect and he's in immense pain and he's trying to contact health insurance and get stuff covered. And they're jerking him around yeah which of course you know is a big headache anyway but the story he goes into in the office of the woman that he talks to that he insulted the evening prior Shaniqua Johnson. Um when he goes into her office and he says you know like my dad did this and he gave you guys a job you know talking about black people yeah uh gave black people jobs and then you know because this equal um employment opportunity you know came to light it ruined that for him and he lost everything and you can tell like so his dad probably didn't raise him with the beliefs that he has right no it sounds that way it was he said his his dad built his business and all of his employees were black and they worked side by side doing the job and then the city council at one point in time decided to give the contracts to more minority owned companies and then there was just no more work left for his business he ended up losing everything.

SPEAKER_04 46:59

Yes and he says to her it's like not once did he ever blame you people now I worked with a black gentleman years ago and he said to me straight up he said the one thing it doesn't matter what race you are the one thing you do not want to say to a black man or black woman is you people.

SPEAKER_08 47:22

Yeah I think you people in general I'm sure like it's even more insulting to a black person or a person of color but I just think in general it's just not a nice thing to say at all. So him going through this but him like my point of this is that his story is he's telling this story about his dad and how he worked you know um with this race of people and so it it's like okay your disdain and your racial thoughts and like what you're saying and how you're treating these people um are not based on probably what your dad's beliefs are right. If you're saying that he employed them and he worked with them and he was good friends with them um you're it's realizing too that his probably his opinions and his stereolizations of these people and the races and every you know everyone he comes in contact with in general I don't I keep saying like these people these people the general like of uh people of color and uh you know his thoughts and opinions obviously came from the job because he does tell uh officer Tom Hansen like this job is you think you know who you are until you're on this job. And so I think it was very interesting to kind of like piece that together that it probably wasn't how he was raised versus how it came to be he learned he was working. Yeah not from his dad but he learned it somewhere yeah not raised in that line of thinking he tells Hansen he says he says wait till you've been on the job for a few more years and it turns out didn't even take that yeah you think you know yourself yeah and then you later that night he finds out yeah yeah so I did love that full circle moment that too of like you did really kind of understand that he wasn't raised to feel these feelings towards you know people of color um that he was more you know watching people and being around it in this general public and having to go through these things and the generalizations he made and then forming a negative opinion in that aspect and just letting it you know rule how you help people how you view people.

SPEAKER_04 49:40

Yeah I do I do enjoy that scene where he's at the HMO office and you know what uh the woman he's speaking to she's not exactly in 100% in the right either okay she's gonna let that man suffer despite the guy's prick of a son. But he went there and he's like look I want to apologize for that it's like you didn't come to apologize for it dude because as soon as you saw that you weren't getting what you wanted that is when you flip the script man so so he's he's the bigger asshole of the two but oh yeah yeah she was an asshole too yeah and then you even see it she is um has her own you know she has her own moment too when she gets into a car accident at the very end of the movie and she's having an argument and what did she say? Oh I can't remember something about like uh why can't you people drive or something like that.

SPEAKER_08 50:36

Yeah and she uses the you people it's well played there Paul Augus well played saw what you did there yeah I thought I thought that was I mean I really liked the the interaction between everybody and how their story is intertwined and I really like the director's choices and the screenplay I just thought the screenplay was very good.

SPEAKER_04 51:00

It was very good the music in a lot of scenes was was pretty good a little over the top in some some parts but yeah I don't know but overall it's good.

SPEAKER_08 51:13

I also uh did feel bad for um what Don Don's character what's his name Graham yeah Graham um I felt bad for him with his because he didn't get to finish the job with his partner I felt bad for him in that aspect too well here you have his his mom and uh Crackhead obviously yeah and then you know the brother who is adored and loved so much and can do no wrong is out there robbing people on the streets and stealing and he's a cop and he still can't get his mom's approval.

SPEAKER_04 51:53

Yeah and then yeah that was a very sad aspect to the story too he cleans out all our nasty rotted ass food out of the fridge and buys her shit from Whole Foods. Yep. I mean we're not talking oh I know I saw the bag and I was like knows how to take care of his mother. Yeah buying shit from Whole Foods. Yeah younger boy out there jacking cars he's not coming up with whole foods although she was convinced that he was like he's not buying you Whole Foods what are you talking about? Alright what else did we want to touch down on on the uh synopsis here?

SPEAKER_08 52:30

I'm trying to think um yeah I mean I I I I really did like the intertwine of everybody in that the even the the Persian daughter is the doctor that helps the you know rich white woman and also who else is she she helps someone else in the hospital. She was there when oh the Asian man who got ran over. Yeah yeah we didn't even touch on there was a there was a van filled with Asian people in the back of the van locked in there and they were obviously being smuggled. And the woman in the very beginning is his wife yes and they are bad people yeah they're not good people traffickers yeah traffickers and boom and they just get away with it cash that check right away I'm gonna be okay you know this this this hasn't led to me having a change of heart or anything and getting out of this awful disgusting shitty business but you know I'm okay and you know man that's a lot of money cash that check right away and so yeah fucking asshole yeah ludicrous just drives them to eight like Chinatown get out I I think you might belong here I don't know and there he is making another generalization stereotype of like you'll be able to do something here you can live here and survive yeah you are these are your people here's 40 bucks go buy some chopsy goofy ass Chinaman it's like there's like it's like ludicrous I I I hate to be the very bad news here pal but there was like 20 people in that van.

SPEAKER_04 54:06

You're gonna have if you want all of them to eat in LA you're gonna have to give them a hell of a lot more than 40 bucks man. I've been to LA once and I'm gonna tell you something right now even even I know that 40 bucks ain't gonna cut it.

SPEAKER_08 54:17

Yeah that's like two cups of coffee of like regular black coffee. Yeah. So you can have to help out people that have probably been sitting in their own shit in the back of that van for who knows how long yeah the discussion while the Chinaman is underneath their car there's a Chinaman trapped underneath you ran over a Chinaman like if we leave him here they think I'm gonna go 2026 I haven't heard like Chinaman you know he said is that 1956 now who the hell says Chinaman anymore nobody oh man maybe they want maybe they wanted to put worse into the script and said no no we're we're we're not gonna do that. Alright what else what else do we touch down on I feel like we touched everybody yeah in there I mean generally yeah I did love that um you know at the end when like when the little girl is protecting her dad and they think that she's gonna get shot or you know they think that she's shot and she believes that she has the cape that protected her dad which oh my gosh you know ball my eyes out again penetrable clo cloak and you know there's no gunshots and I mean there's a moment that like like I probably would have been the same way especially if I had been part of the situation with having to fix this guy's door and then seeing him up and seeing knowing how crazy he is and kind of having like that history of it but of like we don't even care to call the cops. We don't even care to like dissect this further our daughter isn't shot that's a miracle we're all going inside fucking leave and get out of here because we're done we're done here my daughter is living and uh yeah peace out we're going inside in reality that family would have gotten that little girl back into the house and the Michael Penny's character would have come back out of the house and it's all like if you're not gone by the time I get back out here and the the the real shit show begins.

SPEAKER_04 56:32

That's just in reality though but this this is this is a movie.

SPEAKER_05 56:35

Yeah but yeah all right what do you got for likes?

SPEAKER_08 56:40

Uh like I said multiple times I thought that I really did like how this movie was um so provocative I liked how uh the the characters intertwined with everybody and I like the directors' choices and this the screenplay I defin I really really like the screenplay.

SPEAKER_04 57:00

I'll I'll agree with that I like I thought the screenplay was pretty good. Um so for me I'd have to say um I did enjoy this cast even Ryan Phillip I thought was pretty good in this movie and honestly I've almost never really been a fan of his work.

SPEAKER_08 57:16

I saw him in the Lincoln lawyer and I was just like oh do this no he has moments I just felt like his face in this movie was still very cruel intentions and like how he said certain um sentences I just was like you're you're not a cop in LA you're still that creepy guy who's ruining lives at that private school description oh my god that movie yeah we could do that one next no I'm not saying we can't do that one we could and maybe even something it's gonna be a while um yeah be a while before we touch down on that masterpiece all right what do you got next um I mean I pretty much just listed all my likes okay uh I did not like you want to go into do you have more likes I do just a few I'll run through them real quick yeah let's hit him all right uh the impenetrable cloak scene oh yeah with Daniel and his daughter yes um I said that earlier it's a very sweet scene I I like it I really do um the scene with Ludacris and Lorenz Tate in the car where Ludacris is telling Lorenz Tate where hip-hop came from it's a pretty good scene um the one the next one uh with Don Cheatle and William Fickner where they're basically um Graham is forced to make a decision that will will result in a fellow officer being wrongfully charged in the shooting that resulted in the death in the death of a corrupt cop who just happens to be black.

SPEAKER_04 58:48

All of this occurs so that Graham's younger brother Peter doesn't go to prison on a carjacking charge. Yeah that is actually one of the better scenes in the movie too yeah it's a good one.

SPEAKER_08 58:59

We did want to talk about like the so Best Picture this this movie got best picture and I I think it was deserving. Okay. You also have to like take in when a movie gets best picture it's you gotta take in the times because the times around it has a lot to do with why this is best picture. Fair enough and the fact that we are in the wake of 9-11 and that race is such a massive issue. Okay but if we're talking about that then there was another film that was nominated that oh see I don't know the nominations but you can late me well but I I did I did feel like it was worthy of being in the same category especially in this moment that you know like people captured of some I you hurt me and now I have to trust you on like this massive scale. Okay. You know you're someone like you're taught your whole life to trust officers and then that person violated you and then you're put in a situation where they have to save your life and you have to trust them. And I think like that is a pretty big thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:10

Well all the nominations for the Oscars for Best Picture were obviously this because it won. Capote Munich Goodnight and good luck oh God all good and Brokeback Mountain.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:26

Okay. Oh Brokeback Mountain did they take a lot that year? Was that didn't they take a lot that year? I felt like they did like a lot like how do you mean they took a lot of a lot of shit they took a lot of dicks they took a lot of Oscars they took a lot I can't not go there. I said it and I'm talking about broke back mountain and we've seen it right yeah it's I'm I'm talking about like I'm talking about like didn't they uh win a lot the Oscars I feel like they didn't as as much as I love movies I don't really watch the Oscars I feel like that movie did get a lot of things I I honestly won a lot of things.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:10

I couldn't tell you yeah the damn what a year for those kinds of films though like those listening like them listed off like that there's really only a couple of Oscar moments that really are burned into my memory okay one is when they made the mistake and they gave it to was it Moonlight but in reality La La Land was the winner that was that was years back. I think it was like 2019 or some shit maybe 2020 before the whole world shut down and of course when my man Martin Scorsese finally won Best Picture for the departed I freaking love that movie.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:51

Oh it's so good so ready to do a podcast on that movie whenever whenever I'm not quite ready yet that's fine because when we get there I I w I want it to be damn near the perfect episode. Oh okay yeah I don't want any aspect of it to be rushed yeah none of that shit let's do a year from now we we can do it a year from now we can do it a year from now because I freaking that is in my no that's one of my all time favorite movies. It's like one or two number one or number two.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:19

Yeah it's it's such a great movie.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:21

Yeah that is a movie I don't know why I could watch it anytime when I'm sick it it is so death becomes her is my all-time favorite movie and then departed and so like I can watch those movies like the same type of way that I would want to listen to my favorite song when I'm down or something I love the departed yeah I also love like a lot of the same but we'll we'll save that for the episode. We'll say that for that episode. Oh yeah we got material for however long we we do this oh yeah all right what do you have for dislikes I want you to go first um I didn't like um I mean I like him as an actor uh what is it Lorenz Tate I love him as an actor but I did not like his character I also felt like his character was a little entitled you know kind of to a certain degree um and I just I don't know if I saw that but uh entitled in a sense of like I can do whatever the fuck I want to do my my brother's a cop and I I I'm invincible you know kind of attitude all right I can kind of see that now yeah which I mean um Anthony gets taken down a peg by uh you know robbing a black guy um so he gets taken down a peg and kind of like has reality thrown into him but he too thought he was invincible at one point but he had a little bit more I would say like just a little bit I don't know like how who who was for not saving yeah not saving the Asian man underneath the Anthony didn't want to save him that's right but I just felt like Peter the character I just I don't know I just didn't like him I just I just wasn't a fan okay yeah all right my first one is this movie winning the Oscar for Best Picture uh it is it is a good movie I'm not saying it's not I do I do like it but there were other films that may have been more deserving Capote and Brokeback Mountain are a couple of fine examples.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:31

Capote was good Capote was very good.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:34

Yeah Capote was really good love Philip Seymour Hoffman wish he was still around yeah I really do and Brokeback Mountain I've seen and honestly I remember when it came out and I remember hearing a lot of so-called men out there just trash this movie it's like what are you you getting your panties in a wad about it's you see in my opinion you see more female nudity in that movie than you do male nudity it's like grow the fuck up yeah they but uh you know like you you know there's those there's gonna be a gay man no matter what he looks like they call like what the the burly um more gay men they what the don't they refer to them as bears?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:15

Yep and um you know you have like a there's gonna be any type of gay man but yeah it just that was just uh it was kind of like uh you're saying cowboys can be gay what of course I mean if that's like rocking the ultimate boat right but they weren't like they weren't like San Francisco cowboys they were cowboys in Wyoming in the early in the early sixties and it's like yeah that's that sort of thing if it's done it's nobody knows about it. Mm-hmm that's back still back in the days when gay men had to live a double life.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:56

Yeah. So oh my God I I had a client uh One time and uh she'd been coming to me for years. She was married for sixteen years, two kids, you know, and then all of a sudden her her husband tells her that he's gay and he's leaving her. Okay. And uh her and I were talking about it, and I was like, Oh my gosh, the trust issues you must have had after that. Cause like that is at a time too where that is just like whoa, like when that was those years, you know, when that was unthinkable, unthinkable that your husband's gonna come home and say that he's gay. And so we were talking about like the trust issues, and I was like, Did you just like go out on dates with the towel in your purse and be like, Can you this is going really well? Can you just fold this real quick? Just fold this towel real quick for me, and we'll see if you take care of it with caress. Wow. Or not, or you know, like was there some kind of hidden test that she tried to attempt to like anytime she went out on a date with a man afterwards? Because like being 16 years married and having two kids, and then normally I would think if she's gonna have a towel with her on a date for a totally different reason, but but I mean like some kind of item, like we just like let me just see what kind of detail you put into what you can't go, you can't you can't go based off of that, Megan.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:25

You gotta see the way I fold towels, it's perfect. Oh I'm like 150% heterosexual. You gotta see the way I do dishes. The dishes are uh say mennifique so clean. I mean, so clean you could eat off of them.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:40

Well, I hope so.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:43

It's a guarantee with me. So um, what do you got next?

SPEAKER_08 1:07:47

No, that was really like the only dislikes too much.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:50

I mean, this my next one is the scene with Tony Danza and Terrence Howard. Oh. I felt it was an unnecessary scene. Uh, it didn't take me out of the movie, but I didn't think it was needed.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:01

You know, it was. It was kind of weird because also it's like, man, we haven't seen Tony Danza in quite a long time. And then all of a sudden, like, he's just like in this tiny, minute part where he's complaining to his director, and like makes me wonder if Paul Hoggis had something to do with uh who's the boss or something like that back in the day. Yeah, or even just I don't I don't know. And I know that it was supposed to like show uh instance that even at work in his position that he is a well-respected director, that he's still having to deal with kind of putting himself in line when a white person complains. Yeah. And I like I get it, but I yeah, I'm with you on that. I felt like it was kind of yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:41

Like a like just kind of thrown together a scene.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:44

It's really weird.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:45

We gotta come up with something here to for some filler.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:48

Like, I don't I don't appreciate Tony Dance's showing up on my screen being like super freaking serious like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:53

Is there a problem, Kim?

SPEAKER_08 1:08:54

It's all like you like you like he just emerged from the bridge after doing a lot like some heroin himself. Like that's what he looked like in this film, too.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:04

It's like, yeah, it's like listen, uh, listen, their uh what is it? Not taxi driver, but wasn't it just a show called Taxi that he was on back in the day? Like before we were even alive. Was he on taxi? Yeah, because he had problems with Andy Kaufman. He felt that they catered to Andy Kaufman too much, which they probably did. But yeah, it's just like you do understand that I'm your boss, right? I mean, there's a lot of actors in this town that could do this shit. You could, you know, so I don't know. Do we have a problem, asshole?

SPEAKER_08 1:09:35

Yeah, and but you know, you're also like regardless of the power, you know, that uh this person feels in their work position, that they're saying that color no matter what can make you like you know, make you feel like that in that moment.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:57

Exactly.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:58

Yeah, thanks. I I'm getting there and like circling around the dream. It happens to me all the time.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:03

All the time. All right, my next one, uh moving right along here. I'm gonna try to we're at a about an hour and ten here, so I want to kind of get down to brass tacks here. Uh the sexual references the gun store owner gives to the Persian man's daughter in the beginning, they're just creepy and weird. Uh it's a real shame too, because I love Jack McGee, and that's the guy who plays the guy behind the counter there, the gun store owner. Yeah. It's just, you know, the got bullets that can fit any hole. All it just depends on how much bang you can handle. It's like, I'm sure she could probably handle anything your your old ass is gonna give to her, but it would just not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:40

That is what like every man goes to in in you know, trying to like a certain dominance or control in a conversation with a woman. They always have to be like You didn't say every man, did you?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:53

No. Oh, all right.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:54

No, most men. I'm sorry, if I did, oh my gosh, let me correct myself. Most men that I have encountered that are like that and fit that type of person.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:04

I I can't I can't wrap my head around that. I'm I'm sure probably in my teenage years, I probably tried to sound smooth and probably wasn't so smooth. I get that, but as I'm much older, much more distinguished now. I can't wrap my head around someone, especially at that age, being all creepy like that. It's like what are you?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:26

It's like come on, man. I can.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:27

It's like once again, dude, you embarrass you, you're embarrassing me right now, and I don't even know you.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:33

Yeah. No, I didn't like that. Oh, of course, I you know, definitely in my dislikes, I didn't like how the women were treated in this film.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:41

You know what? I but I I understand.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:44

But uh yeah, that some men do that to um assert dominance and make you feel uncomfortable and small, so they will talk in a sexually explicit way. And yeah, it's infuriating. It is. I bet it is. Well, I bet it is. Yeah, it is infuriating.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:03

Yeah. Alright, next one. Officer Ryan pulling over a vehicle while the woman is giving her husband road head. What the hell are you doing, man? Okay, clearly this is a movie. Unless she's causing him to veer all over the road and she's only performing, but she's only performing a preamble of things to uh things to come when they get home. Let the dude get some head. Honestly, what's the problem? They're not a threat to society. Let it go.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:29

What are you doing? Yeah. It's like you're just jealous.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:33

Yeah. Jealous, control, power. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:36

All right.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:37

I I get to I get to dampen your evening. You kids are having fun, but I get to dampen it because I got this shiny badge on you know, on me.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:45

Some people I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:47

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:49

No good. All right. Um, next one and last one. Sandra Bullock's character hugging the maid at the end after she takes a spill down the stairs. She pretty much treats this woman like shit, the few encounters that they do have. Yeah, when she's all hurt and the maid is taking care of her, she hugs her and tells her she's her best friend. Are you fucking kidding me? Come on.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:13

White people.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:14

Rich white women. So annoying. Exactly. No, yeah, I didn't like her. I did not like how she treated her housemaid.

unknown 1:13:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:24

Liked I liked Sandra Bullock's performance. We're not supposed to like her character, so she did her job well.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:31

Um, and my middle of the road is the one where Ludacris setting all the Asian people free and like, go get some chopsue and all that stuff. It's like, come on, man. You didn't give them nearly enough money, but it sounded like you were gonna say something earlier, and I think I cut you off. And for that, I apologize.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:46

Oh, that's okay, and I don't remember. It's gone. Butterfly left.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:51

All right. Maybe it'll come back. That often happens to me too. All right, bullshitting from the back lot. Paul Haggis suffered a heart attack while filming. He did not want anyone else working on the film, so filming was halted for two weeks until he recovered. Cool, huh? Mm-hmm. Right on.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:08

Uh next one. Nobody can do my job. Honestly, I I I can I can empathize with that. I really don't.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:16

I I I mean with the screenplay, you would have to, like, because he wrote the spring screenplay, you would have to, you know, you obviously are writing that within a certain vision, so which leads him to directing it as well, you know, to execute that vi uh that vision of the screenplay. Um, but yeah, uh he did he did good. He did good. But I can I could understand that you don't want anybody to take your take your work and they're gonna ruin it.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:45

Yeah. And which could very well happen. Uh next one, the yellow mini coupe in the chop house was Paul Haggis' car. I know, real scorcher, right? But I was sitting there looking through all this stuff and I was just like, man, I just I need to find something interesting. But this movie, I guess, was such a low budget film that I mean they just kinda had to they just kind of had to make do. And like all the actors worked for scale, whatever the hell that means.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:12

I did not know that.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:14

Um bravo to them because I mean that also like shows that they cared about the message of this movie. So that was probably a big deal, which I mean is a good message. Like, you know, people in glass houses don't throw rocks.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:29

I think it's stones, but or whatever. I see where you're going with that. Yeah, yeah. Rocks could work in that one too. That little proverb.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:36

Yeah, my my son collects a lot of rocks, so just rocks on the brain. I have a bucket of rocks in my hands.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:42

I got a bucket of rocks back there too. It's cool. He can have them if he wants them.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:46

Oh, he'll come over and he'll take them.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:48

All right, they're his. So, due to the low budget, next one. Due to the low budget, her co and her commitment to be in this film, Sandra Bullock bought her own play ticket to fly to the set. Oh, let's say talk about sacrifices, right? And last one, Crash was the first Oscar winner since Rocky to win only three Oscars. So there you go. That's what I got for bullshitting from the backlot.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:15

Those are pretty good facts.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:16

Yeah. Um, I don't have any questions. You have any questions for me?

SPEAKER_08 1:16:20

I I don't.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:21

Okay, I don't have enough for you.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:23

Well, I do have a question.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:24

What's up?

SPEAKER_08 1:16:25

How many Manhattans are we giving this?

SPEAKER_04 1:16:27

Oh, well, we're slow down. Now we're getting there. Damn. Manhattan scale. On a scale of one to five, how many Manhattans or your drink of choice does this movie get? I'm asking you. I'm looking at you. Well when I'm looking at I was waiting for your answer.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:45

I thought you were like le like giving yourself the question to answer.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:49

Only other person in the room right now, Megan. You're my co-host. Who me?

SPEAKER_08 1:16:55

Um, no, uh this, hmm, I would have to say three.

unknown 1:17:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:01

Yeah, three and a half.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:02

Three and a half, okay.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:03

I don't know. I'll just I'll just leave the half out of it. Three, a solid three.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:07

See, I gave it a 3.25. Three and a quarter. So there we go.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:13

That's enough Manhattans for me.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:15

So all right. You got anything else you want to add before uh No, I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:20

I mean, you know, watching this film though made me think like, oh, we should do traffic. That's another weird, mundane movie that makes it think on a serious subject.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:31

Steven Soderbergh.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:32

Yeah, that that can be uh down the line. I think this was like when I was writing my notes, and I'm like, God, I like I hope I'm not offensive and I hope I can.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:43

I think we made it through without being offensive.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:45

I hope so.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:46

I hope so too.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:47

I did say these people a lot. Well, they said a lot worse in the book. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:53

But I cut yourself a little bit slack here.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:57

Don't cancel me. I've already just like I've barely just begun.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:01

We are not on the radar to be canceled, so I don't think we have to worry about that.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:05

I also don't need it coming out later, like when we're big, you know. Oh, that is always they do a deep dive into our like early years of podcasts, and they bring it this out, and then it's just like this. Then we'll just tell them the clip of me saying these people.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:21

We're doing an episode on the movie Crash. What the fuck do you want us to do?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:25

Like we could have quoted the movie directly, and then we really would have been in trouble.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:30

But we decided not to do that because we're good people, and by these people, I meant all the people in the movie that were judged.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:36

See, there you go. You just saved us right there. Boom. Give it up. There you go. You just saved us right there. No canceling for us, no cancel culture gonna be on our front door. All right. Well, my beautiful Mickheads, our beautiful Mickheads, we have reached at least my least favorite part of the show, the part where we say that's a rep and close down production for the time being. As usual, I want to thank my awesome co-host Megan for being here. And our um oh shit, I forgot to edit this part because Megan's not here. So I want to thank my awesome co-host Megan for being here. And last but certainly not least, I want to thank you all so much for listening. We want to thank you all so much for listening.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:22

Keep that mail coming in. Yes, exactly. We love your ideas.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:26

I cannot even come close to tell you how much it means to us. As always, you can listen to the Cinematic Make podcast on Spotify, iHeartRadio, and Apple Podcasts. If you want to reach out to one of our um, excuse me, if you want to reach out to us, all you have to do is hit the link that reads send us fan mail on the episode description, and you can either text us or leave us a voicemail, or more than welcome to email us at the cinematicmic at gmail.com. With all that being said, whether or not we did a good job breaking down and reviewing this movie, I will say, at least for me, and I'm fairly confident I speak for Megan here, that we definitely recommend this movie if you if you haven't already seen it. Megan, you got anything you want to add before we uh no? You good?

SPEAKER_07 1:20:16

No, I'm good. Thank you. Left it all out there, huh?

SPEAKER_04 1:20:20

All right. All right, all you make heads, thank you so much. And always remember. Good night, everybody.